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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    ...Any recommendation on gloves, grif said kevlar, which I will have to pick up at the next show because the only kevlar gloves I have are studded with metal that i purchased for my monitors a few years back. I dont like the idea of the frogs teeth hitting metal and causing damage so I will get new gloves!

    thanks for your words of wisdom by the way I greatly appreciate it...
    Agree with your thoughts and would not use any metal studded or gloves made of metal fibers for same reasons we do not use metal tweezers. This page although of commercial interest has good info on glove selection and one of it's references takes you to an OSHA page on gloves: Cut Resistant Glove Selection and Use - Document #301 - EZ Facts Safety Info - Lab Safety Supply . Literally, think we would want something offering both cut and puncture resistance.

    There are specific gloves made for animal handling and if you Google "bite resistant gloves" will get to places like: Laboratory Safety Gloves - Kent Scientific Corporation with info and offerings.

    I have no knowledge of how an African Bullfrog would react to biting a gloved hand. Tend to think the synthetic material would be released within a few seconds. Stilgar once jumped and bite a fake plant in his tank during feeding and released it moments after. Did chomp off half a leaf of it, he, he, he. Good luck and hope this info helps you.
    Remember to take care of the enclosure and it will take care of your frog !​

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    While I have no experience with using gloves with frogs, I have tried them in the past with snakes, and while they do protect your hands, they can damage the offending animal's teeth and gums.....but of course since a Pixie's teeth are different than snake teeth they may work.

    To me, when wearing gloves you sacrifice mobility too much to make them worth it.....the thicker the glove, the stiffer they are usually. I wonder if something like a thick rubber glove might serve the purpose?

    That being said, I think the people looking to make their frogs more "friendly" are searching for a lost cause.....frogs inherently are not "friendly" towards humans. We are a potential predator to them, and no amount of anthropomorphizing will change what they have evolved into over the last few millenia. It seems that it is just in their nature for some specimens to be defensive.....its a trait that they have and no amount of "frog cuddling" will change that lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardo View Post
    While I have no experience with using gloves with frogs, I have tried them in the past with snakes, and while they do protect your hands, they can damage the offending animal's teeth and gums.....but of course since a Pixie's teeth are different than snake teeth they may work.

    To me, when wearing gloves you sacrifice mobility too much to make them worth it.....the thicker the glove, the stiffer they are usually. I wonder if something like a thick rubber glove might serve the purpose?

    That being said, I think the people looking to make their frogs more "friendly" are searching for a lost cause.....frogs inherently are not "friendly" towards humans. We are a potential predator to them, and no amount of anthropomorphizing will change what they have evolved into over the last few millenia. It seems that it is just in their nature for some specimens to be defensive.....its a trait that they have and no amount of "frog cuddling" will change that lol.
    I don't use gloves. Thick rubber may work, but nothing latex. I wouldn't want something that could have chunk bit off of which is why I said Kevlar. About making frogs domesticated you are wrong. I have proof here in my home of such a frog. Her name is Grif. She is a Pacman frog of Ceratophrys Cranwelli species. Absolutely no aggression or fear of me. She will be a year old at the end of this month. I can do whatever I want with here and she let's me know when she is ready to go back home when I have her out for a soak. She even will turn to look at me when I speak to her. She will even let me know when she wants to go back to her burrow if I'm holding her by acting like she is burrowing in my hands. She has complete trust with me.

    They are smart and do react to human contact. How all depends on us and how we behave with and around them. I spend time with my frogs during feeding and cleaning their homes. I speak to them like someone would a dog or even a child. They know mine and my fiance's voices. Loki my male will even call when he hears us speak loudly. You would be surprised how they respond to you once they trust you and know you as friend and care giver rather than a threat.


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    About making frogs domesticated you are wrong. I have proof here in my home of such a frog. Her name is Grif. She is a Pacman frog of Ceratophrys Cranwelli species. Absolutely no aggression or fear of me.
    Thats great and all, but we're talking about Giant Pixie Frogs here. I don't see what your Pacman Frog has to do with Pixies being aggressive. Different species = different behavior.

    She even will turn to look at me when I speak to her.
    You are anthropomorphizing your frog. Your frog does not respond to your voice. It cannot understand what you're saying. It is simply responding to (likely visual) stimuli in its environment (you or some other moving object).

    She has complete trust with me.
    This statement right here is literally impossible. "Trust" is a human emotion or feeling.....creatures such as frogs, whether you want to believe it or not, are incapable of such mental activity. Your frog does not trust you anymore than a rock or tree would. It simply is not in their wiring. You are projecting desired human traits onto an animal.....again, anthropomorphizing.

    Your frog responds to your voice because it thinks the noise it is hearing is another frog. I have had many frogs that would call or respond to various types of music.....thats does not mean "ZOMG my frog LOOOVES techno music! It makes him happy!"......they are simply not smart enough to differentiate between the 2 sounds. Nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beardo View Post
    Thats great and all, but we're talking about Giant Pixie Frogs here. I don't see what your Pacman Frog has to do with Pixies being aggressive. Different species = different behavior.



    You are anthropomorphizing your frog. Your frog does not respond to your voice. It cannot understand what you're saying. It is simply responding to (likely visual) stimuli in its environment (you or some other moving object).



    This statement right here is literally impossible. "Trust" is a human emotion or feeling.....creatures such as frogs, whether you want to believe it or not, are incapable of such mental activity. Your frog does not trust you anymore than a rock or tree would. It simply is not in their wiring. You are projecting desired human traits onto an animal.....again, anthropomorphizing.

    Your frog responds to your voice because it thinks the noise it is hearing is another frog. I have had many frogs that would call or respond to various types of music.....thats does not mean "ZOMG my frog LOOOVES techno music! It makes him happy!"......they are simply not smart enough to differentiate between the 2 sounds. Nothing more.
    Just because your animals don't like you doesn't mean his animals don't like him!!

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    Just because your animals don't like you doesn't mean his animals don't like him!!
    Actually, it does. Frogs cannot "like" anyone. I cannot believe I am actually having this conversation with adults. I hope you are merely an aloof preteen......then you would at least have an excuse lol.

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    Actually, it does. Frogs cannot "like" anyone. I cannot believe I am actually having this conversation with adults. I hope you are merely an aloof preteen......then you would at least have an excuse lol.
    I never said anywhere within any statement I've typed here that my frogs felt human emotions. Sorry if you misinterpreted that. When I used the word "trust" I did not mean it in as anthropomorphism. Trust can result from, for lack of a better word, training. And no, I don't consider my frogs "trained" the way a dog would be. They have adapted to their lives in captivity. They do not see us as a threat, and they do recognize as bringers of food.

    Any inferences about the psychology of frogs is going to be nothing more than supposition. There is no scientific proof one way or the other. Most information is going to be based on personal experience not empirical evidence. Yes, you can make arguments either way. People will always find information to support their own viewpoint, even if they have to twist it. If a frog can distinguish between the mating call of frogs of different species, then it stands to reason that they can distinguish between a frog and man-made noises. What you would call base animal instinct, I call intelligence. No, they may not be as intelligent as other animals, but you are severely undervaluing them. Many experienced keepers and breeders feel affection for their amphibians. As long as it doesn't cross the line to over-handling and "cuddling" how does that cause any harm? If proper husbandry is used, then being emotionally attached to amphibians is harmless. You may see it as folly to be anything other than detached, but many would disagree. It is a matter of respecting life, a life that you for which are responsible. As soon as we give them names we are humanizing them to a degree. If you are content with having numbered amphibians and reptiles in racks, then that is obviously your choice. Please don't antagonize others for being more openhearted. We can live with our attachments and you can wallow in your cynicism and solitude.

    I realize that you will respond to this, but I won't be answering to this thread any more. This is not the purpose of this forum. We seek to be constructive. A person asked for simple advice about gloves and the thread turned into something very different. Please don't antagonize people and don't attack them on a basis of age or their opnions. There are many younger users on here (and no, I am not one of them), but that does not mean that they are any less intelligent of that their opinions are any less valued. Please read the forum rules. Thank you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mentat View Post
    Agree with your thoughts and would not use any metal studded or gloves made of metal fibers for same reasons we do not use metal tweezers. This page although of commercial interest has good info on glove selection and one of it's references takes you to an OSHA page on gloves: Cut Resistant Glove Selection and Use - Document #301 - EZ Facts Safety Info - Lab Safety Supply . Literally, think we would want something offering both cut and puncture resistance.

    There are specific gloves made for animal handling and if you Google "bite resistant gloves" will get to places like: Laboratory Safety Gloves - Kent Scientific Corporation with info and offerings.

    I have no knowledge of how an African Bullfrog would react to biting a gloved hand. Tend to think the synthetic material would be released within a few seconds. Stilgar once jumped and bite a fake plant in his tank during feeding and released it moments after. Did chomp off half a leaf of it, he, he, he. Good luck and hope this info helps you.

    Carlos those gloves from :: Laboratory Safety Gloves - Kent Scientific Corporation are soooo baddd ***! reasonable @ 80 bucks for that type of bite resistance too! oh man I'm calling them tommorow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikey View Post
    Carlos those gloves from :: Laboratory Safety Gloves - Kent Scientific Corporation are soooo baddd ***! reasonable @ 80 bucks for that type of bite resistance too! oh man I'm calling them tommorow.
    Glad I could be of help Mikey! I'm looking at getting better gloves too! My cichlid fish love me and the T's are OK; but Stilgar has this prankster like behavior I do not trust.
    Remember to take care of the enclosure and it will take care of your frog !​

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