Cage aggression

[Motob3000]

Beardo I think your missing the point. The OP had a question about his frog. Not about your experience with every animal on the planet. I have an aggressive pixie and was also curious if there might be a way to make them a little more friendly. He just doesn't want to get bitten by his frog. We dont care if an alligator has bitten you twice in the face while you were holding a cobra.

[GrifTheGreat]

I think everyone needs to cool off and get back to the reason this thread was made. No more stories and no more bragging rights. I've been bitten by wiid snakes/spiders/lizards/mice/Raccoon/Dogs/Cats etc and I am not a vet and don't work or one. My life is full of wounds and battle scars and yet non of what I just said helps prevent the aggression of Mikey's frog. A very aggressive species. One that should not be triffled with when it comes to a bite. They have the abillity to cause seriouse damage to arteries, veins, plus risk of infection. Gloves would be a good choice in this matter as well as letting your frog get to know you better and get used to you and your activities within it home. This way it no longer will feel threatened to the point of attacking you.

[Mikey]

Beardo I think your missing the point. The OP had a question about his frog. Not about your experience with every animal on the planet. I have an aggressive pixie and was also curious if there might be a way to make them a little more friendly. He just doesn't want to get bitten by his frog. We dont care if an alligator has bitten you twice in the face while you were holding a cobra.

haha

My male African Bullfrog is passing 5 in. and since little, either wants to bite me or likes the game of scaring my hand away with his lounges. He target's my hand versus the 12 in. tweezer end holding it's food. Twice his mouth glanced my fingers but was not able to clamp on... lucky me. At his present growth rate will reach 7 or more inches this year and I do consider that as a good reason to wear gloves. I like Stilgar but don't trust him one bit.

A friend was bitten by a juvenile and it clamped on one of his fingers and hung from it. Guy did not panic and lowered frog thinking it would let go but African Bullfrog started a grinding head shaking motion as if to detach finger food. That hurt lot's so he pulled back and tried to control frog and force mouth open with other hand. Frog finally fell off as it's razor sharp "teeth" sliced finger skin down to nail. Can imagine what a big male can do if it clamps down on a human finger.

My recommendation is to stay alert at all times when hands are in cage and do wear gloves. Also, if ever get bitten; don't think that African Bullfrog will let go once it realizes it's you like some other frogs do. I do keep other animals that bite including venomous species and always treat them with great respect when feeding or habitat cleaning/transfers.

Any recommendation on gloves, grif said kevlar, which I will have to pick up at the next show because the only kevlar gloves I have are studded with metal that i purchased for my monitors a few years back. I dont like the idea of the frogs teeth hitting metal and causing damage so I will get new gloves!

thanks for your words of wisdom by the way I greatly appreciate it.

I think everyone needs to cool off and get back to the reason this thread was made. No more stories and no more bragging rights. I've been bitten by wiid snakes/spiders/lizards/mice/Raccoon/Dogs/Cats etc and I am not a vet and don't work or one. My life is full of wounds and battle scars and yet non of what I just said helps prevent the aggression of Mikey's frog. A very aggressive species. One that should not be triffled with when it comes to a bite. They have the abillity to cause seriouse damage to arteries, veins, plus risk of infection. Gloves would be a good choice in this matter as well as letting your frog get to know you better and get used to you and your activities within it home. This way it no longer will feel threatened to the point of attacking you.

I appreciate the advice grif. as you stated above you recommend kevlar, Just trying to make sure thats the safest for both the frog and myself, do you have any experience with how animals react when biting kelvar gloves? I'll have to do a little bit of research but thats definatly an option when removing the water dish. Any handling will be done barehand like i've been doing for a few years

[Mentat]

...Any recommendation on gloves, grif said kevlar, which I will have to pick up at the next show because the only kevlar gloves I have are studded with metal that i purchased for my monitors a few years back. I dont like the idea of the frogs teeth hitting metal and causing damage so I will get new gloves!

thanks for your words of wisdom by the way I greatly appreciate it...

Agree with your thoughts and would not use any metal studded or gloves made of metal fibers for same reasons we do not use metal tweezers. This page although of commercial interest has good info on glove selection and one of it's references takes you to an OSHA page on gloves: Cut Resistant Glove Selection and Use - Document #301 - EZ Facts Safety Info - Lab Safety Supply . Literally, think we would want something offering both cut and puncture resistance.

There are specific gloves made for animal handling and if you Google "bite resistant gloves" will get to places like: Laboratory Safety Gloves - Kent Scientific Corporation with info and offerings.

I have no knowledge of how an African Bullfrog would react to biting a gloved hand. Tend to think the synthetic material would be released within a few seconds. Stilgar once jumped and bite a fake plant in his tank during feeding and released it moments after. Did chomp off half a leaf of it, he, he, he. Good luck and hope this info helps you.

[Beardo]

While I have no experience with using gloves with frogs, I have tried them in the past with snakes, and while they do protect your hands, they can damage the offending animal's teeth and gums.....but of course since a Pixie's teeth are different than snake teeth they may work.

To me, when wearing gloves you sacrifice mobility too much to make them worth it.....the thicker the glove, the stiffer they are usually. I wonder if something like a thick rubber glove might serve the purpose?

That being said, I think the people looking to make their frogs more "friendly" are searching for a lost cause.....frogs inherently are not "friendly" towards humans. We are a potential predator to them, and no amount of anthropomorphizing will change what they have evolved into over the last few millenia. It seems that it is just in their nature for some specimens to be defensive.....its a trait that they have and no amount of "frog cuddling" will change that lol.

[GrifTheGreat]

While I have no experience with using gloves with frogs, I have tried them in the past with snakes, and while they do protect your hands, they can damage the offending animal's teeth and gums.....but of course since a Pixie's teeth are different than snake teeth they may work.

To me, when wearing gloves you sacrifice mobility too much to make them worth it.....the thicker the glove, the stiffer they are usually. I wonder if something like a thick rubber glove might serve the purpose?

That being said, I think the people looking to make their frogs more "friendly" are searching for a lost cause.....frogs inherently are not "friendly" towards humans. We are a potential predator to them, and no amount of anthropomorphizing will change what they have evolved into over the last few millenia. It seems that it is just in their nature for some specimens to be defensive.....its a trait that they have and no amount of "frog cuddling" will change that lol.

I don't use gloves. Thick rubber may work, but nothing latex. I wouldn't want something that could have chunk bit off of which is why I said Kevlar. About making frogs domesticated you are wrong. I have proof here in my home of such a frog. Her name is Grif. She is a Pacman frog of Ceratophrys Cranwelli species. Absolutely no aggression or fear of me. She will be a year old at the end of this month. I can do whatever I want with here and she let's me know when she is ready to go back home when I have her out for a soak. She even will turn to look at me when I speak to her. She will even let me know when she wants to go back to her burrow if I'm holding her by acting like she is burrowing in my hands. She has complete trust with me.

They are smart and do react to human contact. How all depends on us and how we behave with and around them. I spend time with my frogs during feeding and cleaning their homes. I speak to them like someone would a dog or even a child. They know mine and my fiance's voices. Loki my male will even call when he hears us speak loudly. You would be surprised how they respond to you once they trust you and know you as friend and care giver rather than a threat.

[Beardo]

About making frogs domesticated you are wrong. I have proof here in my home of such a frog. Her name is Grif. She is a Pacman frog of Ceratophrys Cranwelli species. Absolutely no aggression or fear of me.

Thats great and all, but we're talking about Giant Pixie Frogs here. I don't see what your Pacman Frog has to do with Pixies being aggressive. Different species = different behavior.

She even will turn to look at me when I speak to her.

You are anthropomorphizing your frog. Your frog does not respond to your voice. It cannot understand what you're saying. It is simply responding to (likely visual) stimuli in its environment (you or some other moving object).

She has complete trust with me.

This statement right here is literally impossible. "Trust" is a human emotion or feeling.....creatures such as frogs, whether you want to believe it or not, are incapable of such mental activity. Your frog does not trust you anymore than a rock or tree would. It simply is not in their wiring. You are projecting desired human traits onto an animal.....again, anthropomorphizing.

Your frog responds to your voice because it thinks the noise it is hearing is another frog. I have had many frogs that would call or respond to various types of music.....thats does not mean "ZOMG my frog LOOOVES techno music! It makes him happy!"......they are simply not smart enough to differentiate between the 2 sounds. Nothing more.

[Mikey]

Agree with your thoughts and would not use any metal studded or gloves made of metal fibers for same reasons we do not use metal tweezers. This page although of commercial interest has good info on glove selection and one of it's references takes you to an OSHA page on gloves: Cut Resistant Glove Selection and Use - Document #301 - EZ Facts Safety Info - Lab Safety Supply . Literally, think we would want something offering both cut and puncture resistance.

There are specific gloves made for animal handling and if you Google "bite resistant gloves" will get to places like: Laboratory Safety Gloves - Kent Scientific Corporation with info and offerings.

I have no knowledge of how an African Bullfrog would react to biting a gloved hand. Tend to think the synthetic material would be released within a few seconds. Stilgar once jumped and bite a fake plant in his tank during feeding and released it moments after. Did chomp off half a leaf of it, he, he, he. Good luck and hope this info helps you.

Carlos those gloves from :: Laboratory Safety Gloves - Kent Scientific Corporation are soooo baddd ***! reasonable @ 80 bucks for that type of bite resistance too! oh man I'm calling them tommorow.

[Mentat]

Carlos those gloves from :: Laboratory Safety Gloves - Kent Scientific Corporation are soooo baddd ***! reasonable @ 80 bucks for that type of bite resistance too! oh man I'm calling them tommorow.

Glad I could be of help Mikey! I'm looking at getting better gloves too! My cichlid fish love me and the T's are OK; but Stilgar has this prankster like behavior I do not trust.