arghhh, dark spot looks worse!

[wesleybrouwer]

Does the skin give you the idea it is somewhat loose?
And does he fold it's legs underneath when at rest? Or a little bit apart from the body?

[mim]

Does the skin give you the idea it is somewhat loose?
And does he fold it's legs underneath when at rest? Or a little bit apart from the body?

It doesn't look loose it just looks as tho a piece has peeled off. I had the same thing with my other frog which did look more like a flap. This doesn't but they both looked the same at the start. My other frog was fine and still is. She hasn't changed the way she rests. She sleeps on the back wall behind a plant with her legs under her (the same as oki).

[JHansson514]

... I have never seen either of my White's tree frogs shed, and I'm not sure that they do that...

White's definitely shed. It is usually dependent upon humidity, growth rate, and stuff like that. What was the outcome with your other frog? Are they housed together? I would agree with taking the frog to the vet. Try not to wait too long because that's one thing frogs don't always have once we notice they're sick, time.

[flybyferns]

Hi Mim,
I actually went to bed thinking about your frog last night.
I think Don's idea about the hot spot is on the right track.

I think it is possible that we are looking at a burn. Maybe not necessarily from actually having touched something, but having been too close to a heat source?

I have Red Eyes- I have an Exo terra as well WITHOUT a light placed on the screen.
In the winter ( it's in the basement) I have to add heat/light sources around the enclosure to maintain the temp.
I have learned over the past 2 years , that the black plastic rim / the top trim of the exo-terra gets extremely hot. Hot enough for me to have to move my hand quickly if a light/heat source is too close. I have had to remove bulbs that were hung- even 8 inches -above the top. I think it has something to do with the actual material it is made of? For this reason, I have since moved the heat sources (shining if you will ) down the sides of the enclosure, and then monitor the temp of the glass from the inside.

Perhaps , put your hand inside the enclosure and try to place the back of your hand on all areas near lights/ heat sources. Leave it there for some time and see what you think about how hot it gets. I'm sure you know it does not take too much to damage their delicate skin. It could be like a sunburn type thing? I removed the background from my enclosure shortly after purchasing it because they would sit on that little ledge very close to the screen !!!

I bet a qualified vet will be able to distinguish between it being a shedding problem vs a burn; especially as it heals.

I hope you find a solution.
How does he look currently?

If you don't feel comfortable continuing to talk about , I understand.

It is a shame sometimes what happens, on threads and forums, regarding the whole right vs wrong and opinions thing.
( it's human nature ) I'm sure you agree that FF members are truly caring and ALL really want to help!

Lynn

[mim]

hi lynn thank u so much for ur input.
i guess it could look like a burn. iv checked the top mesh screen and that doesnt feel hot but im guessin that designed not to. i put my hand there and i guess it could be warm and like u say with their skin bein so sensitive it could b the cause. i did catch her sleepin up in the lil crook again this mornin. i may try to either put somethin there so she cant sit in there or take the background out like u suggested. i am gettin a larger tank next weekend so will check that background aswell and make sure there arent any ledges for her to sit so high up.
i have a heat mat placed at the back on the bottom half which is behind thebackground and has a foam sheet outside the tank to keep the heat in but that doesnt feel hot so i dont think it is anythin to do with that. iv not noticed the plastic gettin hot but ill definately keep an eye (or finger) out for that just incase.
today she doesnt look any worse. it still doesnt seem to bother her and she was eatin and jumpin around last nite fine. i think it does look like it could b healing. iv put some pics thta iv just this second took and a pic of the hole she sometimes sits in at the top.
the top of the canopy does feel pretty warm. what do u think about the bulb im using? its a repti glo 10.0 uvb bulb. theres so many different opinions on bulbs i went with wot they said at the shop (they r highly reccomended). with the new tank ill b using two seperate canopies (tank is 60cm length and i have 2x 30cm canopies) so id like to make sure i get the right bulbs if u think this is wrong. i dont know if switchin to a red/blue bulb would b better. im quite confused about the lighting situation.
if it is a burn does anyone know of anything i can put on the frog or anythin that mite help the healing?
thank u so much.

[flybyferns]

hi lynn thank u so much for ur input.
i guess it could look like a burn. iv checked the top mesh screen and that doesnt feel hot but im guessin that designed not to. i put my hand there and i guess it could be warm and like u say with their skin bein so sensitive it could b the cause. i did catch her sleepin up in the lil crook again this mornin. i may try to either put somethin there so she cant sit in there or take the background out like u suggested. i am gettin a larger tank next weekend so will check that background aswell and make sure there arent any ledges for her to sit so high up.
i have a heat mat placed at the back on the bottom half which is behind thebackground and has a foam sheet outside the tank to keep the heat in but that doesnt feel hot so i dont think it is anythin to do with that. iv not noticed the plastic gettin hot but ill definately keep an eye (or finger) out for that just incase.
today she doesnt look any worse. it still doesnt seem to bother her and she was eatin and jumpin around last nite fine. i think it does look like it could b healing. iv put some pics thta iv just this second took and a pic of the hole she sometimes sits in at the top.
the top of the canopy does feel pretty warm. what do u think about the bulb im using? its a repti glo 10.0 uvb bulb. theres so many different opinions on bulbs i went with wot they said at the shop (they r highly reccomended). with the new tank ill b using two seperate canopies (tank is 60cm length and i have 2x 30cm canopies) so id like to make sure i get the right bulbs if u think this is wrong. i dont know if switchin to a red/blue bulb would b better. im quite confused about the lighting situation.
if it is a burn does anyone know of anything i can put on the frog or anythin that mite help the healing?
thank u so much.

Hi Mim,

I'm glad to hear she is "no worse".
That is exactly where I thought she was sitting!!!! Littler bugger . They find their spots and then don't budge ! I'm not crazy about those darn backgrounds. I suspended pothos across the top of my enclosure. However, I do not know how proficient Whites are w/their climbing skills compared to Red Eyes? My little group typically use the vines to get around. So they were suspended w/ that in mind. It might work for Whites? There is a close up photo of the suspended vines in my enclosure album , if you are interested.

If you are maintaining plants install a florescent on the ceiling ? ( w/ plant bulbs) or as Grif has mentioned, a 2 is plenty. WAY above the top. That plastic rim is some wacky material! It actually might be worth a call to exo-terra! They should be the ones explaining why it gets so hot.

Talk to you soon
Lynn

[mim]

ok well i went to the chemist to find out the neosporine contains neomycin which is an antibiotic and u cannot buy them over the counter in the uk. bummer! Mycitracin also contains antibiotics. i will ask my friend who owns a small pet shop if he has any suggestions of what to use as he has some knowledge of stuff like this. if anyone has any other suggestions of anythin that can be bought over the counter in uk thatd help, if not i mite try order it off amazon. is this the correct one?

Neosporin First Aid Antibiotic Ointment, Original - 1 Oz: Amazon.co.uk: Health & Beauty

yeh lynn im glad shes no worse. ill take a look at ur tank set up in a minute. ill definately try fill that hole with something and same for the new one ill b getting. im quite surprised that she manages to get in that gap as shes gettin a bit of a chunk now! oki is a fair bit smaller and hed have no problem lol. they really r crafty lil gits. in a way i hope thats wot it is so then at least i can fix the problem.

thank u all for ur help

[GrifTheGreat]

I believe 10.0 UVB is too strong for frogs. A 2.0 or 5.0 is fine but I think your 10.0 is causing sun damage to your frogs skin. Also as Lynn has stated they could be burned by parts of the enclosure that are too close to the light. Heat trancfer into dark colored materials can cause them to get very hot. Also that is a very powerful UVB bulb. It could be the issue since both frogs have been exposed to the light and both have the same problem. It looks like a burn to me.

You may want to see a vet ASAP.

[mim]

I believe 10.0 UVB is too strong for frogs. A 2.0 or 5.0 is fine but I think your 10.0 is causing sun damage to your frogs skin. Also as Lynn has stated they could be burned by parts of the enclosure that are too close to the light. Heat trancfer into dark colored materials can cause them to get very hot. Also that is a very powerful UVB bulb. It could be the issue since both frogs have been exposed to the light and both have the same problem. It looks like a burn to me.

You may want to see a vet ASAP.

ok cool ill get that changed asap! ill go for a 2.0 i think if thats the case. like i say the ppl at the shop recommended that bulb, i didnt know. thank u

[mim]

iv had a look online and they dont really do 2.0 in the compact so im guesin itll b a 5.0. wot do ppl think about coloured bulbs? i found pro rep balls and they do green blue yellow and red. wots the difference?

[GrifTheGreat]

ok cool ill get that changed asap! ill go for a 2.0 i think if thats the case. like i say the ppl at the shop recommended that bulb, i didnt know. thank u

I'm no expert. It just seems too high since they don't require much UVB radiation. If any at all.