EMERGENCY: African Bullfrog Dying?

[Mikey]

I'm relaxed. I'm stating the facts. Also without dusting with vitamin D3 or having a UVB light to produce Vitamin D3 naturally they cant metabolize the calcium received from their food properly. They MUST have D3 in which these are the only 2 ways they receive it. And without it they usually contract MBD from not being able to properly metabolize the cacium and therfore it passes on through their system and they don keep hardly any of it. Not being able to walk is one of the signs of MBD and since he has never dust the frogs food even as a froglet then this is a high probability. I'm not angry I'm just trying to save its life.

Calcium metabolism in pixies and pacman is much similar to that of snakes. They do not require UVB or the addition of D3 calcium suppliment. If you were talking about bearded dragons, you would be correct.

That being said my pyxies were grown to complete full size with no issues whatsoever within rack systems. With the only light provided being the flourescent light that lights the room. They require no UVB. Not sure where you came across different.

[GrifTheGreat]

Calcium metabolism in pixies and pacman is much similar to that of snakes. They do not require UVB or the addition of D3 calcium suppliment. If you were talking about bearded dragons, you would be correct.

That being said my pyxies were grown to complete full size with no issues whatsoever within rack systems. With the only light provided being the flourescent light that lights the room. They require no UVB. Not sure where you came across different.

Nowhere did I say they require UVB lights. UVB radiation is what causes the body to produce Vitamin D3 naturally. That's why I mentioned it. Also they do require the addition of Calcium with D3. Where do you get your info. Pacmans especially. They don't naturally produce D3 without or atleast not enough without a supplement or UVB rays which are also contained in natural sunlight. They benefit from 4 to 6 hours a day of UVB but the problem is that UVB lights are almost always too bright. For Pacmans ofcourse since they live on the forest floor. Pyxies in the wild probably receive tons or D3 since they do occationally come out in the sun. Its risky to not provide a calcium supplement.

[Mikey]

Nowhere did I say they require UVB lights. UVB radiation is what causes the body to produce Vitamin D3 naturally. That's why I mentioned it. Also they do require the addition of Calcium with D3. Where do you get your info. Pacmans especially. They don't naturally produce D3 without or atleast not enough without a supplement or UVB rays which are also contained in natural sunlight. They benefit from 4 to 6 hours a day of UVB but the problem is that UVB lights are almost always too bright. For Pacmans ofcourse since they live on the forest floor. Pyxies in the wild probably receive tons or D3 since they do occationally come out in the sun. Its risky to not provide a calcium supplement.

"Supplements: A varied diet should not require supplementation but there is probably no harm in providing vitamin and mineral supplements occasionally" - African Bullfrog - Pyxicephalus adspersus - Care and Breeding

Not really sure this is even helping the thread at this point, but if the above doesnt prove that suppliments are much more optional than required, personal experience. I have currently 18 C. cranwelli, 8 Fantasy, and 14 Pixies. None of which have ever recieved suppliments or additional lighting of any sort. They have grown to full adult size in sweater box style rack systems over the years.

"They benefit from 4 to 6 hours a day of UVB but the problem is that UVB lights are almost always too bright. For Pacmans ofcourse since they live on the forest floor"

I also have boa constrictors for much longer than I have owned frogs. My boa's are almost neve exposed to any light whatsoever. Yet they grow, feed, and reproduce with no added suppliments. Boa constrictors are exposed to a lot of sunlight in the wild yet reproduce just fine in captivity.

My point is suppliment D3 is similar to Multivitamins for people. You use some of it, but most of it you pee out

[Mikey]

Grif,

Absolutely not trying to argue with you by the way. Very cool that you are as knowledgable as you are.

[GrifTheGreat]

Grif,

Absolutely not trying to argue with you by the way. Very cool that you are as knowledgable as you are.

Me either and yeah at this point its not helping. It pays to do your research. We should be more constructive and combine knowledge to help rather than debating care ideas and info.