toad's slow death

[BlueisallIneed]

Thanks for the link on MBD, i came across it before and used that list of symptoms as my basis.

I'd rather let nature run it's course, I've never euthanized any of my pets and wasn't sure if i could even do it. Describing any method of euthanasia as humane is subjective to each individual and I honestly do not know where i stand on the issue because i've never come across this decision until yesterday.

The tadpoles were kept in a 10 gallon tank, 30-50% water changed every day. Water was slowly added in increments over an hour to allow the tadpoles to acclimate. Initially I used water from the pond they were caught in. I fed them lettuce and spirulina discs (algae discs that i used to feed my plecostomus). as far as vitamins, i've never really given my pets any supplements/vitamins. Of course now it has come to my attention. 6 survived to become toadlets and i tried feeding them pinheads but no success. They slowly died one by one. I won't say i did my research before i brought them home but i did the day I got them in terms of immediate care, and subsequent care to adulthood.

container was a poor substitute for a habitat, it was a plastic shoebox. The toad was approximately an inch and a half from head to butt. However I've been feeding it crickets since the day i got it and was fine up until the day my parents didn't properly place the container on my table while i was away for school. I don't know exactly what happened, i wasn't home. I'm not blaming my parents and let's not start a discussion on my poor pet keeping. I've learned from then and have a close to proper habitat set up for my remaining toad in an actual aquarium tank. Local laws and park rules did not say it was illegal to keep wildlife as long as it was not of any conservation concern.

I have a lot to learn and i know it is unfair to learn through the consequences of death/misfortunes of innocent animals. I am trying harder to be a better pet keeper so please help and guide me when i have questions. As far as the original purpose of this thread, it can be disregarded..

Sorry to put this so harshly, but if you can't take the time to take care of these animals the right way, and be ready to bring them to a Vet when needed then you should not be owning any animals. You need to be OUT of school then if you know you have no time for them and let others ( your parents) that have not the first clue how to take care of them help you. In any event if you need to be away for a bit you need to leave a detailed care sheet for them to follow. What bothers me to death is all the excuses you are giving for your negligence and then saying your letting nature run its course. What you are doing to these animals is not humane, you are doing them more harm then good. If you really care for these animals then you need to really understand and research them way before you get them not to mention are ready to take on the responsibity.

[GrifTheGreat]

It only takes one person to tell someone they're doing something wrong. I believe this person feels bad enough and you all should lay off now. Everyone is responding yet the person who posted has yet to reply anymore. You all agree that a mistake was made and that can't be changed no matter how many post here about the issue at hand. Just let it be now. What's done is done. Jonpwn I am sorry for your loss. Try and drastically do better with your young one and do your best to keep it healthy and happy. If a vet trip is needed down the road I would do my best to get it to a proper vet for treatment. Again I am sorry.

[Poly]

It only takes one person to tell someone they're doing something wrong. I believe this person feels bad enough and you all should lay off now. Everyone is responding yet the person who posted has yet to reply anymore. You all agree that a mistake was made and that can't be changed no matter how many post here about the issue at hand. Just let it be now. What's done is done. Jonpwn I am sorry for your loss. Try and drastically do better with your young one and do your best to keep it healthy and happy. If a vet trip is needed down the road I would do my best to get it to a proper vet for treatment. Again I am sorry.

I agree with you Grif, but it's just the cruelty of what I read that got me angry...

[Squirp]

No point getting angry.
JonPwn could be a troll in goats clothing.

[DonLisk]

Nice reply Grif.
As with any new pet, research before receiving the pet is the best course of action. But, its going to happen, pets purchased from pet stores with bad store advice, no prior research, and spur of the moment purchases will continue no matter how we try to apply what we learned to a new pet owner. Many only find us after the purchase and an issue arises or they want to now learn. Although we take so much to heart, we have to remember that our best course is to try and help and keep the member coming back so that he/she learns to better the life of their pet and then maybe pass on what was taught.

As for needing to euthanize. its a hard thing, and everyone has different tolerances to what they can bring themselves to do, no matter whether its the right thing or not. No matter how big and tough they seem or how meek and soft spoken they are. I'm cold and tough when I need to be and sad and broken when its over and alone. Others are different and some can't bring themselves to do this and some can. Just something to keep in mind when we want to help since we're going to get many different responses when it comes to putting down or losing a pet.

[GrifTheGreat]

Nice reply Grif.
As with any new pet, research before receiving the pet is the best course of action. But, its going to happen, pets purchased from pet stores with bad store advice, no prior research, and spur of the moment purchases will continue no matter how we try to apply what we learned to a new pet owner. Many only find us after the purchase and an issue arises or they want to now learn. Although we take so much to heart, we have to remember that our best course is to try and help and keep the member coming back so that he/she learns to better the life of their pet and then maybe pass on what was taught.

As for needing to euthanize. its a hard thing, and everyone has different tolerances to what they can bring themselves to do, no matter whether its the right thing or not. No matter how big and tough they seem or how meek and soft spoken they are. I'm cold and tough when I need to be and sad and broken when its over and alone. Others are different and some can't bring themselves to do this and some can. Just something to keep in mind when we want to help since we're going to get many different responses when it comes to putting down or losing a pet.

Thanks Don. I too am cold when I have to be, but my heart makes me search for any other alternative before I choose to end their life. Had to put down my fiance's dog of 12 years. She grew up with him. His name was Tucker and was the smartest and best dog I have ever known. It destroyed me but we had to. He had lymphoma and since he was old we could not get treatment for him without him getting other oroblems that would kill him anyway. When Grif got sick I immediately saught out treatment. Then took care of her til she was well and eating on her own again. I don't give up. I also feel as you said we are all still learning and help who we can. Shunning them and scolding them for being beginners and following advice given by those who they at the time believe they can trust is wrong, but I will not hesitate to chew a repeat offender and those who ask for advice and when given it don't take it or do the complete opposite. I feel that Jonpwn has learned his lesson and that should be recognised by all here who just keep bashing him. Enough is enough.

[GrifTheGreat]

No point getting angry.
JonPwn could be a troll in goats clothing.

Hey! Enough Squirp! No bashing using fairy tales either. Billy Goats Gruff? Really? Leave it alone now.

[BlueisallIneed]

I agree with you Grif, but it's just the cruelty of what I read that got me angry...

Agree 100%

[Squirp]

Oh, I wasn't trying to bash, stir the pot, or any such rhetorical subtle cage rattling.
I just have come to appreciate Poly's remarks on topics, and his patience to quickly handle and offer his own idea's for peoples amphibian crisis's.
I don't want to see him get upset over things like this, so I figured offering him the idea to question the sometimes hidden intentions of a threads existence.
Then you don't have to buy into emotions, or you know which ones to respond with to get more beneficial results. I took a more calm stance to this thread from the beginning. I didn't find JONPWN appalling or offensive, so much as just somewhat psychologically distraught about this situation, and I'd rather extend the hand and help him out, and find a more delicate way to bring up those serious thoughts that jump into peoples minds. I'd rather be nice and try to keep Jonpwn here on the site, so he can continue to ask questions, and not feel like he's sticking his head into the guillotine. I'll even try to take on some of the responsibility to help people out, so long as everyone else chimes in if something needs to be elaborated, or if I get something flat out wrong, I'm not an expert, there is a ton of research out there and I always learn something new here. So.. yeah. help each other out, teamwork. go get em.. yeah, huddle up and break with a nice manly sports like cheer and grunt, no towel slapping though, I've talk to the administration and they said they won't put up with that kinda malarkey. Apparently it's very low brow, I didn't know that because where I come from we have such a robust and playful heritage.

[Poly]

Oh, I wasn't trying to bash, stir the pot, or any such rhetorical subtle cage rattling.
I just have come to appreciate Poly's remarks on topics, and his patience to quickly handle and offer his own idea's for peoples amphibian crisis's.
I don't want to see him get upset over things like this, so I figured offering him the idea to question the sometimes hidden intentions of a threads existence.
Then you don't have to buy into emotions, or you know which ones to respond with to get more beneficial results. I took a more calm stance to this thread from the beginning. I didn't find JONPWN appalling or offensive, so much as just somewhat psychologically distraught about this situation, and I'd rather extend the hand and help him out, and find a more delicate way to bring up those serious thoughts that jump into peoples minds. I'd rather be nice and try to keep Jonpwn here on the site, so he can continue to ask questions, and not feel like he's sticking his head into the guillotine. I'll even try to take on some of the responsibility to help people out, so long as everyone else chimes in if something needs to be elaborated, or if I get something flat out wrong, I'm not an expert, there is a ton of research out there and I always learn something new here. So.. yeah. help each other out, teamwork. go get em.. yeah, huddle up and break with a nice manly sports like cheer and grunt, no towel slapping though, I've talk to the administration and they said they won't put up with that kinda malarkey. Apparently it's very low brow, I didn't know that because where I come from we have such a robust and playful heritage.

I was going to write a huge response to Grif and Don... until I read your response Squirp...

[GrifTheGreat]

Oh, I wasn't trying to bash, stir the pot, or any such rhetorical subtle cage rattling.
I just have come to appreciate Poly's remarks on topics, and his patience to quickly handle and offer his own idea's for peoples amphibian crisis's.
I don't want to see him get upset over things like this, so I figured offering him the idea to question the sometimes hidden intentions of a threads existence.
Then you don't have to buy into emotions, or you know which ones to respond with to get more beneficial results. I took a more calm stance to this thread from the beginning. I didn't find JONPWN appalling or offensive, so much as just somewhat psychologically distraught about this situation, and I'd rather extend the hand and help him out, and find a more delicate way to bring up those serious thoughts that jump into peoples minds. I'd rather be nice and try to keep Jonpwn here on the site, so he can continue to ask questions, and not feel like he's sticking his head into the guillotine. I'll even try to take on some of the responsibility to help people out, so long as everyone else chimes in if something needs to be elaborated, or if I get something flat out wrong, I'm not an expert, there is a ton of research out there and I always learn something new here. So.. yeah. help each other out, teamwork. go get em.. yeah, huddle up and break with a nice manly sports like cheer and grunt, no towel slapping though, I've talk to the administration and they said they won't put up with that kinda malarkey. Apparently it's very low brow, I didn't know that because where I come from we have such a robust and playful heritage.

Much appreciated. You just have to watch what you say and how you word your responces because as I have recently found out people become very offended over misunderstanding. I believe I even ran the person off the forum which I had no intention of doing, but my responce could have been more candid than harsh. Just try not to keep pushing the subject once you spoke your peace and I mean everyone. Its the same as talking behind someones back. Especilly when the creater of the thread no longer responds. You all need to step back and place yourself in his shoes. Try to experience what he feels now, because if you do that then maybe you'll realize why I told you all to stop. I'm not the forum police but will not hesitate to try and stop people from going to far on here. Most of the time I'm too late. Make an example people know when to stop and be caring not downgrading ok.