update on bruce and his toad abode

[Wormwood]

They co-exist in a vast forest... not in a 20-40 gallon tank and in a tiny pool of water. Your tree frog is going to get eaten or sick. I can assure you that. Seperate them as in this instant the fish and wildlife guy is wrong.

Toads are voracious, even if they can't fit him in their mouths yet. All it takes is one leg caught in a toad's mouth and that tree frog is either maimned or dead from infection or physical trama.

Cuban tree frogs also secrete a toxin mucus from their skin that causes a strong burning reaction, which once gets in the water source can cause those toads stress which can help make them sick or kill them outright.

[GrifTheGreat]

Not to mention toads are toxic and tree frogs as well. They will make each other sick from the toxins they secrete. Perhaps this wild life guy is no expert. I myself am no expert but this is common sence when it comes to amphibians.

[frogmandan]

well three days ago i did seperate them and the wildlife guy busted me for it i hate getting in truble with them i faced a fine of 1000.00 and maybe even jail time for it depending on coart for failing to comply with fcw regulation to houseing anphibeans

[frogmandan]

update:::
well i sent the fourm post to the fwc like 10 mins ago and just got the letter back
they droped my case becase of this post i got to go to the courthouse on tuesday and pay part of my fine and then they are going to alter the anphibian regualtions for zoo's setups

i got my fire bellied salamander/newt today and he is settling in to his aboade
if anyone has tips for me on this ill gladly take them

p.s. my fine was cut to only 100.00 for not cooporating with a offical instead of the 1000.00 for regualtion failure

[ViperJr]

well three days ago i did seperate them and the wildlife guy busted me for it i hate getting in truble with them i faced a fine of 1000.00 and maybe even jail time for it depending on coart for failing to comply with fcw regulation to houseing anphibeans

update:::
well i sent the fourm post to the fwc like 10 mins ago and just got the letter back
they droped my case becase of this post i got to go to the courthouse on tuesday and pay part of my fine and then they are going to alter the anphibian regualtions for zoo's setups

i got my fire bellied salamander/newt today and he is settling in to his aboade
if anyone has tips for me on this ill gladly take them

p.s. my fine was cut to only 100.00 for not cooporating with a offical instead of the 1000.00 for regualtion failure

I am so confused right now, I don't even know where to start...

[DonLisk]

I too am so confused. They fined you for? Both animals are not on any sort of banned list for your state and for you separating them they fined you for what?

Your attention to provide appropriate care and safe housing for both animals should not even be questioned. The lack of knowledge by the authority whom wrongfully directed the incorrect housing, or, the poorly written regulation which required an unhealthy combination of species would be the only wrong doer here.

[frogmandan]

they fined becase its a zoo and weather or not there endagerd or not theres regulations that must be followed by the athorities
for houseing and zoos per each state

[ViperJr]

they fined becase its a zoo and weather or not there endagerd or not theres regulations that must be followed by the athorities
for houseing and zoos per each state

I'm still not getting it. You are fined because the zoo are not following the regulations? Or are the regulations based on pure gibberish, stating that different amphibians should be housed together?

[DonLisk]

I understand that, but ignorance on the regulations part does not justify fining someone due to an incorrect or poorly written regulation.

Maybe a better solution on the state and zoo's part would be to have you assist in the correction of the regulation. This would be more beneficial to the zoo and it's wildlife, having a corrected regulation that requires the research of proper housing needs for each animal prior to creating a multi-species enclosure.

[GrifTheGreat]

He's saying that the zoos regulations are outdated and wrong and the fined him for tampering with zoo property. They had to reduce the charge because they had to admit they were wrong. Also because even though he did the right thing it still violated their regulations. Basically they just wanted to get some money out of it anyway so they fined him $100.00. Its still a loud of ****. I think they need to do some research on here. They might learn something.

[frogmandan]

I'm still not getting it. You are fined because the zoo are not following the regulations? Or are the regulations based on pure gibberish, stating that different amphibians should be housed together?

yah ther secound one they have houseing regulations for certent animals like frogs and toads which will require them to be housed togeather
when i removed the cuban tree frog from the tank i broke a regulation and was fined for it till i sent then the post vea email and had my fine reduced to 100.00 for not cooperating with a fwc offical

i think its better that they be seperated anyway but they were becase of regualtions