What's wrong with Humperdink?

[MrFunkhouser]

Hey there, I'm fairly new to the amphibian keeping hobby, however from what I've learnt so far I think you'll find that your ecclectic mix of frogs all in the same enclosure, which is too small for that many frogs in my opinion. I keep Whites and a False Tomato, both seperate, and to give an idea, I've got the Whites, which are all of 2-4cm in size, in a 39mmx38mmx49mm tank. My Tomato Frog is in an Exo Terra Faunarium for now, till he is larger.

The frogs you've got all originate from different locales and climates, for the Whites and Tomato for example, they enjoy different temperature ranges and habitats. Although the Common (I presume American Green TF) and Grey's are similar, I would still do some more research into their individual prefferences and habitats.

Also what Temps/Humidity do you have them at? I would at the very least suggest seperating them into individual species enclosures (I appreciate this isn't always a practical solution due to cost/space)

Hope this is some help

I published a glaring mistake; the tank is those measurements in cm, not mm. The humidity hovers around 70 and temp the same. I would have thought the tank would be fine for 5, it's quite spacious. If they had more room would this be better or will they poison each other regardless?

[coffeebaron]

Lol, easy mistake to make....and I think I followed suit! Should have read cm!

Well I would say the humidity is good, and the temps are similar- I keep my whites around 74-76, though speak to some and they will quote high 70's -80 for the hot spot, with a drop into high 60's at night. As for the Tomato, he is at a high of 74, but the cool end is nearer 68.

As for the size, if you take with a pinch what others say, 1 frog = 10 gallon's- your tank comes in around 30 gallons. Now i'd say this rule would apply to a decent sized adult whites, they will grow the largest out of your species. I would at the least seperate the Tomato Frog, he comes from Madagascar, as oppose to Australia/ New Guinea for the Whites, and the Americas/Canada for your Grey's/Common. The secretions in each species skins will be significally different as to cause considerable stress.

If your frogs are all small still, then you could utilise some very basic tubs/faunariums to keep costs low for now in order to seperate. Or maybe speaking to the guy you purchased them off and try and exchange them so you have just the one species

[mim]

yeh that terrarium is way too small for that many frogs. iv two whites in a 30cmX30cmX45cm and am thinkin im gonna need to go bigger once the frogs get older. general rule is as wes said 1 frog = 10 gallons (unsure of what that equates to in measurements tho). iv heard lots of ppl sayin not to mix species of frogs so id mabye try seperate them as like u say they could b toxic to each other but also they may physically attack one another. u may find that once u seperate them he may seem his 'normal self' again. i would try find someone who knows more about wot else it could b tho as like wes im pretty new to this.

[coffeebaron]

Thanks for chipping further advice in Mim, and I agree, maybe someone with more experience will come and offer further advice, though I must say, so far I've had more help from fellow beginers, not to say we're ill informed, just yet to have the wealth of experience with our chosen species.

[Badger]

Not just too small for that many frogs, but you can't keep multiple species of frogs in the same vivarium. All frogs are toxic to each other, no matter how serious. It is never ever a good idea to house different species together, I would recommend separating them as soon as possible. I'm sure that these two issues are what is causing your frog stress. I have 3 white's, and they are only kept with themselves. Plus, I believe the false tomato frog has different care requirements than the tree frogs. I have never kept a false tomato before, so I can't accurately comment on that. Lot's of people make the mistake of multi-species enclosures, but it eventually kills both frogs if left that way. I would keep no more than 3 white's in that size enclosure. Hope this helps, Dalton.