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    From what you have described so far, I am thinking one of two things :
    Toxed out due to water not being de-chlorinated
    Toxed Out from being over supplemented

    It could also be from Chytrid Fungus......it would take a necropsy to know for sure.

    Sorry for the loss.

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    Chyrid fungus as Jessica mentioned is a good possibility. The fungus attacks the frogs skin and causes the skin muscles to tighten and no longer allows the frog to obsorb water through its skin. This causes dehydration and death. As it also attacks the frog when it is weak once the actual signs show up it is nearly too late. The way he was trying to get water makes me suspect that it could have very well been chytrid that may have played a serious role in Manderin's passing. Again I am sorry. Jessica is right though. Your frog would have to be tested for the fungus. I hope you meet with more success this next time around.


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    Thank you all for your help so far. Here are some answers to your questions:

    I dusted Mandarin's food every other time he ate his meals. I also used water conditioner to dechlorinate the water that I both sprayed in the tank and poured into his water dish (I'm very conscious about things like that). I misted his tank every day and gave him fresh water and made sure that the humidity was at 80% every day. The bulb I used was 40watts. I had Mandarin for a little over a year and a half, I'm not sure how old he was when I purchased him but he was about the size of a silver dollar. As for if he was CB or not, I'm honestly not sure and hadn't even thought to ask when I purchased him - I bought Mandarin from a local small reptile store. Oh and I didn't handle him more than once a month to change his bedding, he was really temperamental haha.

    Is there any way I could have recognized the fungus prior to this happening?

    Thank you all so much. I'm really trying to learn as much as I possibly can about these great frogs and hopefully prevent anything like this from happening again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandarin View Post
    Thank you all for your help so far. Here are some answers to your questions:

    I dusted Mandarin's food every other time he ate his meals. I also used water conditioner to dechlorinate the water that I both sprayed in the tank and poured into his water dish (I'm very conscious about things like that). I misted his tank every day and gave him fresh water and made sure that the humidity was at 80% every day. The bulb I used was 40watts. I had Mandarin for a little over a year and a half, I'm not sure how old he was when I purchased him but he was about the size of a silver dollar. As for if he was CB or not, I'm honestly not sure and hadn't even thought to ask when I purchased him - I bought Mandarin from a local small reptile store.

    Thank you all so much. I'm really trying to learn as much as I possibly can about these great frogs.
    Sorry for the loss.

    All everyone can do is speculate. One sure way to find out is take it to a vet for some testing.

    Maybe I'm just lucky but I have had no problem keeping all my animals in room temperature year round.

    Here's interesting read, someone on here or another forum posted.
    Hot Weather Herp Tips - Summer

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    The only way to avoid Chytrid is to treat for it once you get the animal. The treatment is fairly easy and is the only known way currently to make sure your personal pets do not have it. It has gone viral in the wild populations and is found in almost every amphibian. I am including the instructions on how to treat it.

    Terbinafine Hydrochloride Treatment


    The commonly available over the counter liquid spray form of human foot fungus treatment 'Lamisil AT' (Terbinafine Hydrochloride) has been discovered to be successful in treating amphibians.[2]
    Treatment is as follows:
    Buy Lamisil AT Athlete's Foot Spray Pump (1% Terbinafine Hydrochloride). This is available in the USA, Canada and UK.

    Put 10 squirts into 200ml of water. Soak frog for 5 minutes per day for 10 days, being sure to have solution get onto the entire frog. Keep the frog in a clean set up after each treatment as putting it back into the original tank will just keep reinfecting the frog. Sterilize and redo the original set up and any instruments that may have come in contact with the frog or its water before reintroduction of the frog. Best to wear disposable plastic gloves and swap them after frog is inserted into treatment area.

    We do not use gloves when we perform this treatment. We use sanitizer and drench our hands with it then wash our hands with Dove soap and dry them thoroughly.....we do this between handling the frog and the containers through EACH step of the treatment.

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    It could of been Chytrid, as mentioned by others before. Do you have a picture of what the frog looked like when this was happening? That might help. I am sorry for your loss of Mandarin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whiffer01 View Post
    It could of been Chytrid, as mentioned by others before. Do you have a picture of what the frog looked like when this was happening? That might help. I am sorry for your loss of Mandarin.
    Unfortunately I don't. I realize now that pictures would have been helpful, but at the time I was too overcome with panic and sadness to have thought about taking a picture. ): However as I stated before, I didn't see anything unusual on his body when I examined him... then again I'm no expert.

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    That's a pretty good precautionary step. So I should treat a new frog with this, even if I don't know the frog has it? I didn't think it would take this long for something like that to take effect, but then again perhaps there was signs this past year and a half that I just didn't catch... Thanks for your help! I'll definitely keep the treatment in mind if I decide to get another frog!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mandarin View Post
    That's a pretty good precautionary step. So I should treat a new frog with this, even if I don't know the frog has it? I didn't think it would take this long for something like that to take effect, but then again perhaps there was signs this past year and a half that I just didn't catch... Thanks for your help! I'll definitely keep the treatment in mind if I decide to get another frog!
    I believe the gestation period is around 18 to 28 days before it becomes full blown infection to where it can kill the frog. Usually after it begins to attack the frog it causes excessive shedding/very dry bad sheds/lesions/sores/and discoloration mainly in the infected areas. Some cases this doesn't fully show these signs which is why you would have to get the frog tested by a specialist or vet.

    You can treat you new frog with the method Jessica described above. Quarantine your frog in a hospital setup. Use only moist paper towels as a substrate and change them after each treatement. Also clean the hospital tank each time as well to be sure not to reinfect the frog. Just fallow the steps and all should be fine. You can still try to feed while putting your frog through this treatment.


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