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    If you have to force feed the frog, a pinkie is NOT the food item to use. Mammalian proteins are difficult for them to digest at best, so a starving frog won't handle it well.
    Please don't feed mealworms or superworms tot he frog. The carapace is too hard and non-digestible & could cause impactions in a healthy frog, much less a sickly one.
    I didn't notice an answer to the question about the water. Please use de-chlorinated water for misting & soaking.
    You could add a drop of liquid calcium to the soaking bowl once a week to allow the frog to absorb it instead of dusting (we do this with some of ours because they are picky and refuse dusted food items).
    Remember also that over use of the supplements is just as bad as not enough. We usually use a powder that has everything in it or mix the calcium & vitamins together and then dust.
    The larger earthworms should be fine, but cut it into appropriate sized chunks for the frog.

    Good Luck!

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    @Ivory Yeah, but wouldn't you agree that if a frog has had excessive weight loss and needs a large whole meal to get them back up and strong again - a mouse would be appropriate. Plus, pinkies also don't have fur or developed a backbone so you're only worrying about the mammalian proteins and fat tissue that they're made up of. Excessive over feeding is one thing, but a frog that hasn't had food for awhile can eat it.

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    Also these frogs are nacturnal. You do feed them at night right? I agree with Jessica about the pinky. When Grif was starving I didn't force feed pinkies until after a month of force feeding. Use easy to digest food items like soft bodied crickets/red wigglers/and chunks of night crawler. You don't want to constipate him/her if he/she is weak. Go buy some Flukers Repta-Aid. Its a emergency food supplement for malnurished and dehydrated reptiles and amphibians. Its very good to have on hand just incase. Also it comes with a seringe that makes it easy to get the mixture in the frogs mouth. You can use it while you force feed the other food items I mentioned. Don't force feed unless you absolutely have to.


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    im having that same problem to but i think mine is just boated but it really hasnt grew much the temps are in the 75 to 80 but he pooped today and striked at a crix today i think i got mine around the same time
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    Ivory my frog was on his death bed. What got him back on his feet was fuzzy injected with liquid calcium,and vitamin. I hat to put it between his teeth. it took him a half an hour to swallow it, thats how weak he was, I was so embarrassed to take pics of him cause he was disgusting skinny. He is living proof.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sublime View Post
    @Ivory Yeah, but wouldn't you agree that if a frog has had excessive weight loss and needs a large whole meal to get them back up and strong again - a mouse would be appropriate. Plus, pinkies also don't have fur or developed a backbone so you're only worrying about the mammalian proteins and fat tissue that they're made up of. Excessive over feeding is one thing, but a frog that hasn't had food for awhile can eat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Ivory my frog was on his death bed. What got him back on his feet was fuzzy injected with liquid calcium,and vitamin. I hat to put it between his teeth. it took him a half an hour to swallow it, thats how weak he was, I was so embarrassed to take pics of him cause he was disgusting skinny. He is living proof.
    Well were all glad he pulled through and your efforts to get him back up and healthy. That's a great testimonial of your first hand experience and backs up my statement.

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    He was so weak that if i took him to the vet .Who knows if the meds could of killed him. We dont have good vets around here who specializes in amphibians. It would of been tricky. I had no stool sample causes he hasn't pooped for a long time. He was deteriorating faster then anything. Just fading away and thats what they do.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sublime View Post
    Well were all glad he pulled through and your efforts to get him back up and healthy. That's a great testimonial of your first hand experience and backs up my statement.

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    Man I would be so nervous and stressed out if I were in that situation. Did you stay calm or were you kind of stressing out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sublime View Post
    The worms coming from a reptile food website is fine. Pinkie mice can be fed sparingly once every couple of months. He or she is pretty small to start eating mice; I would hold off mice until you get him feeding on healthier diets. Fishing and tackle shops are a lot cheaper though than earthworms being sold as reptile or amphibian food on sites or at a shop. Just have to be more precautionary with the guy that is selling them at a fishing shop. Let me know how it goes.

    If he or she was in an emergency situation where he or she hadn't eaten in weeks, then I would force feed a pinkie mouse.
    Right ok, that's good then, I'm not keen on the idea of feeding mice. None of mine have ever been fed on mice, it's just different inverts! I'll order some of the huge worms today then, try and get her feeding on those, I hope they wiggle!

    Quote Originally Posted by IvoryReptiles View Post
    If you have to force feed the frog, a pinkie is NOT the food item to use. Mammalian proteins are difficult for them to digest at best, so a starving frog won't handle it well.
    Please don't feed mealworms or superworms tot he frog. The carapace is too hard and non-digestible & could cause impactions in a healthy frog, much less a sickly one.
    I didn't notice an answer to the question about the water. Please use de-chlorinated water for misting & soaking.
    You could add a drop of liquid calcium to the soaking bowl once a week to allow the frog to absorb it instead of dusting (we do this with some of ours because they are picky and refuse dusted food items).
    Remember also that over use of the supplements is just as bad as not enough. We usually use a powder that has everything in it or mix the calcium & vitamins together and then dust.
    The larger earthworms should be fine, but cut it into appropriate sized chunks for the frog.

    Good Luck!
    I don't think it has got to the force feeding stage, I mean she is eating, around 1-2 crickets a night. Then some days she won't touch food, then she will be back to eating. It's not a massive amount, but it's better than when she didn't eat for about 3 weeks, then I got her on wax worms, then she started eating no problem, then I stopped, now she is eating the odd cricket. The main problem is she isn't growing. :P

    She hasn't ever had a meal worm, she wasn't interested.

    I do use de-chlorinated water, always have.

    She hasn't gone in her water bowl for a very long time, weird as she always used to, I may change it back to the old one, same kind of depth, but this one is a little smaller and less weird shaped.

    Ah ok will do thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    Also these frogs are nacturnal. You do feed them at night right? I agree with Jessica about the pinky. When Grif was starving I didn't force feed pinkies until after a month of force feeding. Use easy to digest food items like soft bodied crickets/red wigglers/and chunks of night crawler. You don't want to constipate him/her if he/she is weak. Go buy some Flukers Repta-Aid. Its a emergency food supplement for malnurished and dehydrated reptiles and amphibians. Its very good to have on hand just incase. Also it comes with a seringe that makes it easy to get the mixture in the frogs mouth. You can use it while you force feed the other food items I mentioned. Don't force feed unless you absolutely have to.
    I do indeed. I don't plan on force feeding, the idea is just horrible to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by pac View Post
    im having that same problem to but i think mine is just boated but it really hasnt grew much the temps are in the 75 to 80 but he pooped today and striked at a crix today i think i got mine around the same time
    Yeah mine hasn't pooped in a long time, not sure if that has anything to do with it. Although she is still eating so maybe not, I put a light on her the other day to find a cricket hanging from her mouth, so very cute!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BG View Post
    Ivory my frog was on his death bed. What got him back on his feet was fuzzy injected with liquid calcium,and vitamin. I hat to put it between his teeth. it took him a half an hour to swallow it, thats how weak he was, I was so embarrassed to take pics of him cause he was disgusting skinny. He is living proof.
    I think that it becomes a case by case issue. It is going to depend on the different factors: what caused the frog to stop eating, how long it has been since it ate, the age and size of the frog, etc. In general, I will recommend starting with softer foods. Or if for instance, the sick frog was too small to be fed a pinkie. But I can't fault what you did George. You obviously saved your pac's life. I have been through that situation and I know how hard it is. I remember when Grif was not eating. She looked so skinny even when she was bloated with water; then she would pee and her skin would hang off her bones... it broke my heart every time. I didn't take any pictures of her like that because it was just too horrible. @ Sublime, it is very stressful, but I tried to be as calm as possible. I believe that any animal will pick up on your stress and it just would have made the situation worse. But we pulled through and now Grif is a healthy eating machine and over four inches stv!


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