Amphibian ID help

[sebastianbawn]

Thanks Kurt. Just found out its a Paddle-Tailed Newt (pachytriton labiatus)

[John]

The one on the left is a paddle tail. The one on the right is not. Not quite sure what the right hand one is though.

[sebastianbawn]

I keep getting told the one on the right is an Alpine Newt, Doesnt look much like the pics I have seen though

[Kurt]

I don't think its a Pachytriton, the head shape is wrong (at least in the second pic.) Pachytriton have some what smooth skin. I am going to stick with Cynops as my ID.

[sebastianbawn]

So are we going for a cynops on pic 2. It does look similar to an Alpine but there are a few differences

[Kurt]

Yeah, I going to stick with Cynops on the second picture. Not sure exactly which species though. The first picture is probably a Pachytriton.

[tylototriton]

The first pic is some sort of Pachytriton. The second pic is a little shakier, it could be a Cynops or maybe some sort of Triturus (anything from that original genus.) If you want more opinions try John's other site, caudata.org

[jody]

they sell them as fire newts here.

[Jake]

The 2nd picture is a Mesotriton alpestris ssp. You can tell it's an alpine newt because where the orange of it's belly meets the dark color of it's back you can see a bit of blue with spots, that is a definite sign of an alpine. My best guess would be M.a.apuanus or M.a.alpestris because they're more commonly kept by hobbiests. You can get a better ID with a belly shot of the animal. The one in the pic is either an adult female or a large juvenile.

Do you keep both newts in the same tank?