thanks royce it is 730 and this is small town. everything closes early...I left you message in your inbox thanks for your reply not sure what to do with the little beggar though. No aquarium my friend. just feeling bad for this little one... at this point. It looks like it is fine but as far as the water can't get down to the river at all from where we are too much of a bank. Nightcrawlers I've dealt with before but lol none available at the moment here. sigh... I may post in the local forum as with ten cats it may not be good for toady here, and I would want to see it safe. I'll get back to you...