Opinions wanted. How many RETF can live in a 36x36x18 Exo-Terra

[flybyferns]

After the one that is currently in quarantine is transferred, I will have 6 in a 36 x 36 x 18 Exo-Terra.

Room for more ?

[John]

That's really a matter of opinion. I think you've got a nice number in there now - I personally wouldn't add more.

[flybyferns]

John,
Thanks for your help. It is very much appreciated !
I guess I might be asking questions I already know the answers to.
I was actually planning one more black-eyed froglet. I have a pairs thing! So there might be 7. But, they are $$.
I have one in my tank already.( Waiting to try to determine its sex?)
It has never made a sound ! So, maybe it's female?

Actually the black-eye's behavior is quite different the the RETFs. It likes to jump. I have seen it jump form one side of the tank to the other! -36"
It parachutes (?) down to the plant it wants to get to. It wakes up sooner and goes back to sleep later in the am. It does not seem to be as affected by the plant lights coming on in the morning. Pretty frog. There are a few pics in one of my albums of the black-eyed.

Thanks again, Lynn

[ViperJr]

If you ask me (and probably 90% of the people on this forum), you should really separate the two frog species that you keep in that tank. Even though they're both agalychnis, they're not the same species, which is both stressful and potentially dangerous (due to intoxication) for both species. So instead of adding more red eyes, you should buy a second tank and house one of the two species in it.

However, the albino red eyed is totally fine with the ordinary red eyes, since they're the same species.

[flybyferns]

Martin,
Yikes!
Thank you so much for your recommendation, I truly appreciate it.

I will certainly be doing a really lot of research regarding this, as I was told otherwise. ( and asking some questions)
I purchase the frog , as a froglet, from a , very , very , highly respected breeder who was well aware of the fact I was putting it in with RETFs.
I was told , at the time, that they were able to live together " if my tank were large enough" . They are all in an exo-terra 36x36x18 .
They have been together for almost 2 years !

Lynn

[wesleybrouwer]

IT's truely best to keep them seperated,
you will have the problem of potential crossbreeding.
Not something you should risk doing with the moreletti.

Maybe the breeder ment that care would be similair to that of the red eyes?

[ViperJr]

Posining is still a concern. Sure, they do not create a poison like some dartfrogs, but they have a skin secret that could "posion" eachother over time. Perhaps it's a bad word to describe it, but I think you understand what I mean. Perhaps skin toxin would better describe what I'm trying to say. Different species have different skin toxins and it's possible for them to "posion" each other, even in the same genus.

[wesleybrouwer]

Sorry, but my red eyes aren't toxic at all.
They are not able to secret poison/toxic like a poison dart from their food,
and they don't have poison glands to make it their own like some other tree frogs or toads.
So no, i'm not exactly sure what you mean.
Sorry

[ViperJr]

I blame my bad english. Let me try again:
They are NOT poisonus like a toad, that have specific poisonus glads. They do not excrete a poison in a way dart frogs would in the wild.
However, they excrete a skin secrete like all amphibians. This secrete is different for each species and can be harmfull to other species over time. It's just like if you would spit on a frog on a regular basis. I'm sure you agree that it's not good for the frog, and yet you as a human are not "posionus".

And yes, I would have to agree that cleaning so much so often seem to create an awfull lot of unneccesary stress.

[flybyferns]

Oh my goodness you guys !
We are ,all, very serious about are hobby. Aren't we ! You guys might be kookier then me ! no - that's not possible ?????

Martin, You do not have "Bad English ". I understood every thing you have mentioned. Thank You.

and

weselybrower, thank you as well.

Clean is what I emphasized. yes -
I have 7 frogs ( 1 albino still in quarentine). never lost one ! ( knock wood )
I will not leave plants in he tank that have been defecated on and urinated on ,day after day, after day.
It's unhealthy for the frog and smell discussing , to boot !

I never, ever disturb my frogs. I have never woken a sleeping frog.
They don't care if I clean the paper towel- they don't even know I was there. They do not care what's on the bottom of the tank. My frogs have never seen costa rica!
I can count on one hand how many times I ever so much as touch any of them.
I use gloves when I clean the cage. NOOOOOOO, not becaause I think I am going to be poisoned w/ salmonella.
Because, I wear nail polish,make-up, hand cream, use detergent at the kitchen sink. I have 2 cats, 2 hamsters, 2 fish tanks and a russian tortoise, ( that I do handle
all of the time).

I came across this random video on you tube recently .
!! watch till the very end !!! very funny / but seriously - he deserved it !!!!!

Red Eyed Tree Frog PEE's on Me! - YouTube


And if my black-eyed tree frog mates with a red eye ' I will eat my hat ' imagine that!
Why--- we would have a new a new genus? We could call it a 'promiscuus callidryas'.
Could we put that frog w/ the red eyed or the black eyed. ? kidding

You guys are great - thanks, Lynn

[ViperJr]

Oh my goodness you guys !
We are ,all, very serious about are hobby. Aren't we ! You guys might be kookier then me ! no - that's not possible ?????

Martin, You do not have "Bad English ". I understood every thing you have mentioned. Thank You.

and

weselybrower, thank you as well.

Clean is what I emphasized. yes -
I have 7 frogs ( 1 albino still in quarentine). never lost one ! ( knock wood )
I will not leave plants in he tank that have been defecated on and urinated on ,day after day, after day.
It's unhealthy for the frog and smell discussing , to boot !

I never, ever disturb my frogs. I have never woken a sleeping frog.
They don't care if I clean the paper towel- they don't even know I was there. They do not care what's on the bottom of the tank. My frogs have never seen costa rica!
I can count on one hand how many times I ever so much as touch any of them.
I use gloves when I clean the cage. NOOOOOOO, not becaause I think I am going to be poisoned w/ salmonella.
Because, I wear nail polish,make-up, hand cream, use detergent at the kitchen sink. I have 2 cats, 2 hamsters, 2 fish tanks and a russian tortoise, ( that I do handle
all of the time).

I feel like I've said what I have to say and explained it as good as I can. So I'm not going to say much more on the topic of housing different species in one enclosure.
Regarding the cleaning, I can't really say anything. It feels to me that it is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean anything. So I'm not going to comment that more either.

Now, regarding cross-breeding within agalychnis... Have this ever been observed? Or cross-breeding within any other genus at all? Would be interesting to know.

[wesleybrouwer]

Not sure what the phrase means with kookier, but well, i guess it must be something sarcastic reading the rest of you're post
Sorry to have bothered you with a different opinion then your's and the person that teached you how to take care of frogs.

The obsesive cleaning and sterile enclosures are something we think different about i think.
In my point of view, it does stress frogs out to be moved in and out of the tank or fiddling around when they are sleeping.
But , as you say, you never woke one up, so you must be really carefull while cleaning, picking up the plants they sleep on and clean the leaves around them.

The smell? No idea, don't have that problem here and i do have all natural beddings with life plants in them.
As i said before, overcrowding may cause excessive waist.

To be answering you're question this topic was started about.
No, i believe 6 frogs, 7 verry soon, are well enough for this size tank.
I would suggest placing the moreletti in another tank and start a little group of them there.
But i have an idea it don't even matter what i tell you, so this is the last i would say about it.

Crossbreeding is possible, but not something you should wan't to do.
There has been done some research on it by Andrew R. Gray, Manchester Museum of natural history.
Hopefully you will never need to eat you're hat, otherwise i'd love to see some pictures of that

The peeing is flight behavior by the way.
In fact, there is just a negligible amount of urine in it, most of the liquid is plain water.
By squirting the water out, in many cases they lose half their weight.
This will make them lighter, so they are able to escape a predator easier since they don't cary that much weight.

If you're ever caught up in the outback, lost, without water, you'll be thankfull for me being serious
The aboriginals catch frogs when water is scarce in the desert.
They make use of the squirting reflex of frogs in order to get some water to prevent dehydration.

[flybyferns]

Thanks again for all your help.
Lynn

[Heatheranne]

Lol!!!