Alright, I initially first fell in love with the pacs but when I was reading around on the internet there are a bunch of sites that say they arent the best for beginner frog owners. I'm deffinantly going to start with White's, but I will get at least one pac some day. I just didn't know if they are more picky about their enviroment or something. It'll be some time, but I can't wait until I can get one.