Black nuptial pads on breeding male white lips??

[cowbully]

OK.. Im taking my trio of white lips outta the rain chamber today and after lots of reading on why they didnt successfully breed and closely looking at the males i could not locate the black nuptial pads that i have been reading about...

Could it be that the males are not mature enough or not all male white lips posess this trait??

One male is 3.5" the other male is 3.25"

[John]

I can't comment on this species regarding what color their nuptial pads would or wouldn't be I'm afraid. Did you definitely read that this species has black ones?

[cowbully]

some on the information im finding on the white lips says yes that breeding males do get black nuptual pads and some references dont mention them at all.. I realize they are similar to whites but they are not identical.. Ive owned a breeding group of blue dumpys about 15 years ago but they are not the same as my group of white lips..

the trio is back in their regular cage and the males aint made a peep yet.. back eating like a bunch of wild boars! no offence to pigs lol