John thanks for the response but that really doesn't answer my question. The toads are from this spring, the size of a quarter 8-1-11. The frogs raised from tadpoles, morphed early August. Since both species are aggressive eaters it's hard for me to tell if they are getting enough or to much. I'm a first time keeper of the amphibians and just to make sure I'm doing this right. As for size the male toad (dark throad & chirps) is 2.5" snout to vent, the other is 2" (maybe female). The frogs are 1.25" & I have no idea what sex they are.