Quote Originally Posted by IvoryReptiles View Post
I agree that tormenting the frogs is in-excusable, but to assume from a video that the substrate in the video is the living conditions for the frog is, well, silly.

We have some videos of our frogs being fed or their reactions to my camera lens cap (the frog was trying to eat it), but the video is taken with the frog in it's feeding bin, not it's normal enclosure. I have video of our breeders in the rain chamber. And yes, we have video of some of our frogs eating mice or pinkies......as a treat once every 2 months. Mammalian proteins are difficult (NOT impossible) for them to digest. Poultry is easier on them, mealworms are not.....the exoskeletons are not digestible and can cause blockages if fed too often and in mass quantities. They love earthworms, crickets are okay. The tadpoles devour bloodworms and even carnivorous fish foods. But they would rather have other tadpoles......we get plenty of Gulf Coast Toads spawning in our ponds and will collect them & offer them when available. Variety is the key to healthy diets for these guys.

Sorry, went way off subject there! We handle ours when we are cleaning & when we feed them. In time they become more accustomed to it, but they are not huggy & kissy frogs....LOL
When I want to handle a frog, I will take my Dumpy frogs out and let them crawl on me or sit with me while I cruise the internet.
Yeah I understand what you're talking about, but I've seen pacman owners housing their frogs in a permanent tank with incorrect substrate...not a feeding bin. Even the feeding bins they have them in sometimes is what we are talking about, they place gravel and water in it or small rocks and feed them in it. That's a disaster waiting to happen... The dumpy whites tree frogs are an exception, they can be held for awhile. They are awesome frogs as well.