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    Default 60 Gallon Cubed Dart Frog Sanctuary

    I just finished laying the drainage layer for my new 60 gallon viv. I want to thank Bill and Paul for their help in my getting to this point. I am using 3/8 inch tubing to facilitate draining if there is too much water. I am using the sponge to ensure the tubing won't get blocked.

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    Put into two 3/8 inch tubing for siphoning off excess water. This picture is from the back side of the tank

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    From the front of the tank. Only the 3/8 inch can be seen.

    Thank you guys for the idea. I used 20 quarts of Josh's Frog's false bottom. Debating on whether to add one more bag. I have a bunch of mulching clothe I will add tomorrow and then 30 or so quarts of ABG mix. I also baked a bunch of wood at 250 degrees for 2 hours. Making progress! Stay tuned.

    Let me know what you all think so far.

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    That's a good start!


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    Default Re: 60 Gallon Cubed Dart Frog Sanctuary

    I have about 2 to 2.5 inches of drainage layer. Will that be enough?
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    Yup. You're good to go.


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    Default Re: 60 Gallon Cubed Dart Frog Sanctuary

    Great start! A proper drainage layer is strongest foundation you can build a Vivarium on it will help your tank last a long long time.
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    John, are you doing a background on this tank? or just going with heavy planting?
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    I was planning on doing "heavy planting". I am thinking of vines and driftwood to help draw people's attention and hide the tubing.
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    That works I have a tank that uses just planting versus background.


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    Default Re: 60 Gallon Cubed Dart Frog Sanctuary

    Quote Originally Posted by EMCookjb View Post
    I was planning on doing "heavy planting". I am thinking of vines and driftwood to help draw people's attention and hide the tubing.
    Enjoy your build....looking forward to more photos

    Have you decided on which plants your going to use?
    Have any favs ?

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    Default Re: 60 Gallon Cubed Dart Frog Sanctuary

    I know generally that I am looking to get bromelaids, mosses and maybe ferns. I am starting to research for specific species. I know that I want bromelaids that will grow on some of the drift wood I plan on putting into the viv. I do want to some taller plants for the back area. I was just going to order package plant deals from Josh Frogs, unless someone has some suggestions.
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    My suggestion would be black jungle for plants. They not only have your common plants, but more rare and different plants as well. The bundles from Josh's are ok. But you get what they want to send you, and that may not necessarily be what you wanted to put in your tank. Plan ahead, choose your plants individually and you'll be much happier in the long run.


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    Default Re: 60 Gallon Cubed Dart Frog Sanctuary

    Thanks Bill. The website is great. I really like that they have a section for dart frog habitats. Now I can focus on the types of plants and then decide on species.
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    John,

    I will throw one of Bill's line out to add to the discussion. "In the wild you will never see just ONE of a plant in an area. To make your tank look more natural plant multiples of the same around the tank" or something like that. Sounds better when he says it.
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    yup, i tell paul that all the time. i try to plant in groups, because that's how plants normally grow in situ. but not all my plants are planted in groups. normally just the ones i want to make an impact.
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    That's a great point and will make things both a lot easier and harder. Sounds like I need to only pick a few plants out of the hundreds available. At least it makes sense to me. Thank you again for everything.
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    Next phase started ... landscaping. I put down a bunch of ABG, a bunch of driftwood, and rearranged the tubing. I also added some fake vines to help hide the tubing. I am hoping to get some real vine plants to attach themselves to the tubing and fake vines to really hide and secure the tubing. Tomorrow I am hoping to add several bags of leaf litter. I am thinking of getting another bag of ABG to help hide the right "hut" some more.

    Thoughts and comments are welcomed.

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    She's getting there. Instead of worrying about using all kinds of stuff to hide the tubing, consider just planting a nice tall plant in front of it. Height will be your challenge since you aren't using a background. It will take a while to fill all that in. Choose your plants wisely. They will make or break a no background tank.


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    Thank you for the feedback. I have been doing research regarding some plants. I am thinking of Ficux pumila "Creeping fig" or Golden pothos, "Rabbit's Foot Fern", and moss. The fern in the background with the creeping vine as both vertical and ground cover. The moss would be definite ground cover. What do you think?
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    The problem you will have with the ficus or pothos will be giving them something to climb up besides the wood. Their roots will stick to glass, but only temporarily. The rabbit's foot will be fine. It will take a long time to mature into a large, large plant, so plan ahead. And don't bury the fuzzy rhizomes of the fern. You'll kill it that way. Also, look into plants that grow larger in stature for your background. Alocasia, calathea, aglaonema are a few to look into. Diffenbachia is also a nice large statured plant that may suit your needs.


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    Default Re: 60 Gallon Cubed Dart Frog Sanctuary

    Bill,

    Thank you for the information suggestions. I will take a look at them.
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