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    Hello, I Had recently made a post about my frogs foot and how he seemed to be deformed on his left leg seemed deformed. Well as of recently I've noticed his right leg will be somewhat stretched out and he seems to "Sit" On his hands. When I feed him he shifts around on his hind legs and the stretches of muscle and toes begin to twitch. But only when eating. His Jaws seem fine and after a bit of waking up he eats with decent strength. He can still walk (As he crawled out of a bath I put him in and began to "Scratch" The shed off) And I am not certain as to what Is currently wrong. As I cant find anything that would be specific enough for his case.

    1. Size of enclosure
    Exo Terra 12x12x12 With tape over front vents (To help humidity)
    2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences
    1 Juvenile Pacman (Male)
    3. Humidity
    Usually ranging between 50-75 throughout the day
    4. Temperature 50-65
    5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
    Bottled Spring water
    6. Materials used for substrate
    Just coco husk
    7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
    Several Philodendrons
    8. Main food source
    Crickets fed with carrots and kale
    9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)
    (Before signs shown) One vitamin dusted one week, one calcium dusted the other
    (Currently) Two calcium a week and one vitamin
    10. Lighting
    One lamp
    11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
    One heat pad on the side of tank
    12. When is the last time he/she ate
    Yesterday evening
    13. Have you found poop lately
    No,
    14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
    (Will provide photos when I can
    15. Describe frog's symptoms and/or recent physical changes; to include it's ventral/belly area.
    Twitching and shifting after eating in the legs. Left food seems to have toe growth issues.
    Leg stretched out
    16. How old is the frog
    11 ish?
    17. How long have you owned him/her
    10 Months
    18. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred
    Captive Bred
    19. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats
    Crickets, Rarely meal worms
    20. How often the frog is handled
    Recently twice a week to check up on physical appearance
    21. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
    High, near the doorway to my door
    22. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)
    Water is changed after every bath
    Misted after "wake up" and before "bed" (Night time bulb)
    Spot clean soil where he has been sitting every few weeks, Full soil change after two months regularly
    Plants are trimmed of dead leaves and dying bits


    I am unable to reach a Vet as all have evacuated for Hurricane Dorian, I will be staying posted with Kermit and my family. I have also heard about issuing calcium/Baths but have very little clue of what to do for that. I am in very dire need of help. Usually He can push through any issues hes had in the past but this seems very much more crippling.


    Any help is and will be, appreciated.
    Thank you.



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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    Will get Photos posted when I get home.

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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    Try posting a video of the behavior when the frog eats. Specifically how the frog moves it's leg. It's the hind leg correct?


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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    Try posting a video of the behavior when the frog eats. Specifically how the frog moves it's leg. It's the hind leg correct?
    I'll record him eating when its feeding time, and yes. The hind leg

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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    The frog has not accidentally ingested one of the plant leaves has it?


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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    No, not that I know of.But as I was typing this I walked over and saw him pooing, and he had both of his legs fully stretched out. At first I thought he was dead and saw that he was just using the restroom. I caught a photo right after he readjusted himselfName:  20190904_191610.jpg
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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    I cannot tell whether there is anything wrong with your Fantasy frog. The posture does look odd but cleaning the frog off and posting a picture of the area and a video of how the frog moves and it's general behavior that is making you think something is wrong would be helpful.


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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    Understand, I will get the feeding video later on In the evening as not to disturb his feeding cycle, but I will wash him and let him sit in the bath and see if he displays any movement. As he does that I'll get a picture of his enclosure

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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    And yesterday as I tried to check up on him he stretched out his leg like this. Dont know if this will aid anything Name:  20190903_221546.jpg
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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    Could be due to calcium deficiency during early development, but I cannot tell. The picture is very blurry, but the leg should be tucked in under the frog rather than extended.

    I also got the ID wrong. That's a C. Cranwelli not a Fantasy Frog. Looked a bit like a Fantasy in the first picture. Anyway the body appears underdeveloped compared to the size of the frog's head as well.


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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    I'm sorry about that, I wanted to take a pic before he stopped so I was rushing. But that was also after I had set him in the bath and he had peed a lot.

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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    I didnt quite understand what was meant to be caught on camera, so I cleaned him off in a baby bath temp soak, toom a picture of the enclosure and a 1 Minute video of his twitches in the bath.Name:  20190904_222548.jpg
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    This is him attempting to crawl back into his after I set him back in his tank. He sorta just slipped and jostled around untill he got comfy

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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    And finally this is a video of the spasms he has when eating, this is what had made me most afraid


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    You may be overreacting a little bit. The posture I see in the bath is normal and the leg stretching out is your frog attempting to lunge forward and not quite getting anywhere. I did not see any actual twitching or spasms that would be related to illness or disease.

    You could provide a little extra calcium for a couple weeks just to see if anything changes, but as of now I do not believe you need to worry unless the frog loses control of the leg muscles and the leg begins to move and spasm constantly.

    I would like to see a video of the frog moving around in it's enclosure. Especially like you described when the frog was getting back into it's burrow.

    Keep us posted.


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    Default Re: Pacman Frog help with possible Tetany/MDB

    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    You may be overreacting a little bit. The posture I see in the bath is normal and the leg stretching out is your frog attempting to lunge forward and not quite getting anywhere. I did not see any actual twitching or spasms that would be related to illness or disease.

    You could provide a little extra calcium for a couple weeks just to see if anything changes, but as of now I do not believe you need to worry unless the frog loses control of the leg muscles and the leg begins to move and spasm constantly.

    I would like to see a video of the frog moving around in it's enclosure. Especially like you described when the frog was getting back into it's burrow.

    Keep us posted.

    Will do, But as soon as I had read "damage can be illreversable" and "in serious cases can lead to death" I freaked out, a lot!

    I'm going to try to change out his soil and bathe him again before this front moves in and see if that will be any aid

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