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    So, something weird happened with one of my little american toadlets. A few days ago I was cleaning out my toad enclosure and I noticed my largest toadlet had seemingly lost complete mobility in its back legs/entire lower half. This was completely sudden as I had just fed all of them dubia nymphs that morning and all was fine. I immediately put him in a hospital tub, at this point I was convinced some sort of spinal injury occurred and with no vet near me able to see amphibians I thought I may have to euthanize. To me, it seemed like paralysis. He was pulling himself and gave no reaction when I lightly pinched and prodded his toes. It was hard to watch

    Anyway, later that night he seemed to be gaining back some control and the next morning he was about 70% there, though he was 'limping' or kind of dragging one leg around, but he had feeling in it. Fast forward to about 2 days later, he is now more or less fine. I have been keeping an extremely close eye on him and all I can notice is some possible bruising near his pelvis area. He still has his voracious little appetite too.

    So, what happened? I just can't figure it out. My best bet is a pelvis break/fracture? The highest thing in their tank is a 4-5'' tall cork round. Parasites? Possible but I raised them from tadpoles and have only fed captive food so seems unlikely. I even thought maybe impaction, but he pooped this morning and it looked completely normal. I'm at a loss! I'm planning on keeping him in the hospital tub for another week or two for observation. Anyone have thoughts?

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    Default Re: Opinions needed on medical issue

    Could be early-stage MBD. Are you dusting your feeders with calcium and vitamins?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axqu View Post
    Could be early-stage MBD. Are you dusting your feeders with calcium and vitamins?
    Yes, I dust with Repcal with D3, herptivite and repashy's vitamin a. I dust calcium with every feeding except one day a week where I use the multivitamin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butchblues View Post
    Yes, I dust with Repcal with D3, herptivite and repashy's vitamin a. I dust calcium with every feeding except one day a week where I use the multivitamin.
    Probably not MBD then assuming your toads eat the feeders right away. I'm assuming you're using dechlorinator for the water you use when you mist the enclosure? Letting it sit out lets chlorine gas off but chloramines won't gas off and they can kill just as easily as chlorine can. You might check your water company's website; sometimes there're extra chemicals that get into the water that they don't announce on the news because it doesn't impact human consumption but it might impact your frogs. Stuff like that is known to impact reef fishtanks all the time. Also, do you have copper pipes in your house? What time of day do you normally change their water? If you have fresh copper pipes that haven't had time to oxidize yet, and you change their water in the morning when the water has been sitting in the pipes all night with no movement, you could have higher copper content in your water. A lot of frogs and toads are sensitive to copper.

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    I change their water around 11-1pm usually with dechlorinated tap water that I have prepared in a jug (I use reptisafe), I refill the jug maybe once or twice a week. I do believe we have copper pipes and the bathroom was renovated a few years ago. I can switch to reverse osmosis just to be safe, but I will have to order something to add minerals back.

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    This is the problem everybody seems to think the calcium and supplement dusting is the best choice but really that doesn't help. It probably is MBD in an early stage. I would recommend getting Missouri better bug got load it was tested and proven to work in Native Toad species. What this means is you feed this formula to your crickets or roaches or whatever you use what them digested for a day or two and then feed the roaches or your feeders to the toads. I had the same problem last year when I was using the same stuff but since then I have had no problems with anything of nutrition. I don't use any calcium or supplements other than what I feed my crickets. I don't recommend using supplements. You can also use a low-level UVB bulb to put over the toads habitat. That will help it to get vitamin D3 the best way possible. It's important to keep the temperature in the 70s if the animal is sick and try to keep humidity 50% To 70%. It should only hit 70% at night whenever you missed and allow it to gradually drop back down to 50.

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    That Mazuri formula seems to have a lot of animal protein. Wouldn't gout be a concern? I'm currently feeding my roaches Dumor classic rabbit food as their staple and vegetable/fruit scraps, but I will invest in a gutloading diet after researching some formulas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butchblues View Post
    I change their water around 11-1pm usually with dechlorinated tap water that I have prepared in a jug (I use reptisafe), I refill the jug maybe once or twice a week. I do believe we have copper pipes and the bathroom was renovated a few years ago. I can switch to reverse osmosis just to be safe, but I will have to order something to add minerals back.
    I've had good success dusting feeders, but there's no harm in gutloading as well, as long as you keep the animal protein down like you said. I feed my dubias a variety of fresh veggies as well as a dusting schedule. Try the RO + added minerals thing and see if it works. If the bathroom was recently renovated I'd bet the copper has something to do with it. I'd also keep a little remineralized RO on hand in case of emergencies. If your toadie seizes again, try soaking in the remineralized RO water (monitored of course to prevent drowning). That'll help all the toxins leach out of its body if it got poisoned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by butchblues View Post
    That Mazuri formula seems to have a lot of animal protein. Wouldn't gout be a concern? I'm currently feeding my roaches Dumor classic rabbit food as their staple and vegetable/fruit scraps, but I will invest in a gutloading diet after researching some formulas.
    It actually is preferred for native species. It doesn't have any drawbacks. Should be a good investment

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    Do you have a source for this? I've been told by many sources to stay away from animal protein in roaches especially to avoid uric acid buildup. Not doubting, I just like to compare sources.

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    I have two. An actual study and a Herpetologist who agrees with it. I have the Herpetologist opinion first. I'll post the study when I find it again

    http://blogs.thatpetplace.com/thatre.../#.XMsw_mkpA0N

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    http://healthdocbox.com/Nutrition/65...bufonidae.html

    Study

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    Thanks! I'll take a look when I have a moment

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