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    Default Odd white patches on Grey Tree Frog

    Been raising GTFs for many years, and I've never seen anything like this before. She has the patch you can see in the picture, another on her left knee, and some smaller ones dotted across the left side of her body. Other than the fact that she seems a little itchy in general, they don't seem to be bothering her. Her appetite is fine, she's as active (lazy) as always, and her personality doesn't seem affected. When I first noticed it, I thought that she had done a partial shed, and she just had some old skin hanging out as it has the same milky color, but that was not the case. I'm not entirely sure how long she's had this, given that she tends to hide during the day and come out at night, but I know it hasn't been more than 3-4 days, since that was the last time I had her out prior to this.

    I've sent this picture to my vet, but he has yet to get back to me. I tried to take additional pictures, but my phone camera never likes to focus properly on these guys, and by the time I did get focus, she'd color-changed very pale to match me, and the spots just wouldn't show.

    For reference, she lives in a paludarium with others, but she's the only one showing these spots.
    Humidity is constantly around 60%, temp is 72-75 degrees during the day, 68-70 at night.
    Water is 75% changed every 7-10 days based on water test readings, and has a filter/pump.
    I do minor spot cleaning here and there as necessary when I do water changes.
    Everything in the tank is artificial for ease of cleaning/removal, with the exception of some cork rounds.
    There are some springtails that live in the water to help deal with any biomass between change/cleanings.
    Diet is mainly crickets (calc dust 2x/week + multivitamin once per week), with horn worms and houseflies rounding out the usual diet. Wax worms are a monthly extra treat. Depending on availability/weather, other snacks happen, but there haven't been any of those outliers recently.

    I have some silvadene cream in my frog first aid kit, but since it's not a lesion I have held off just in case it would be pointless/inappropriate.


    Any insight into what this might be would be greatly appreciated. I have no idea when my vet will get back to me, and if there is something I can do to start fixing this in the meantime I would be grateful for the information.
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    Default Re: Odd white patches on Grey Tree Frog

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyla Sapiens View Post
    Been raising GTFs for many years, and I've never seen anything like this before. She has the patch you can see in the picture, another on her left knee, and some smaller ones dotted across the left side of her body. Other than the fact that she seems a little itchy in general, they don't seem to be bothering her. Her appetite is fine, she's as active (lazy) as always, and her personality doesn't seem affected. When I first noticed it, I thought that she had done a partial shed, and she just had some old skin hanging out as it has the same milky color, but that was not the case. I'm not entirely sure how long she's had this, given that she tends to hide during the day and come out at night, but I know it hasn't been more than 3-4 days, since that was the last time I had her out prior to this.

    I've sent this picture to my vet, but he has yet to get back to me. I tried to take additional pictures, but my phone camera never likes to focus properly on these guys, and by the time I did get focus, she'd color-changed very pale to match me, and the spots just wouldn't show.

    For reference, she lives in a paludarium with others, but she's the only one showing these spots.
    Humidity is constantly around 60%, temp is 72-75 degrees during the day, 68-70 at night.
    Water is 75% changed every 7-10 days based on water test readings, and has a filter/pump.
    I do minor spot cleaning here and there as necessary when I do water changes.
    Everything in the tank is artificial for ease of cleaning/removal, with the exception of some cork rounds.
    There are some springtails that live in the water to help deal with any biomass between change/cleanings.
    Diet is mainly crickets (calc dust 2x/week + multivitamin once per week), with horn worms and houseflies rounding out the usual diet. Wax worms are a monthly extra treat. Depending on availability/weather, other snacks happen, but there haven't been any of those outliers recently.

    I have some silvadene cream in my frog first aid kit, but since it's not a lesion I have held off just in case it would be pointless/inappropriate.


    Any insight into what this might be would be greatly appreciated. I have no idea when my vet will get back to me, and if there is something I can do to start fixing this in the meantime I would be grateful for the information.
    That's one chubby Gray Tree Frog!

    I actually could not see in that light the problem but is could be time to quarantine it before any signs of illness occurred. You could include many more feeders like Butterworms and Calci Worms as an additional part to the diet. The Calci Worms turn into the Black Soldier Fly and waxworms turn into waxmoths. Both are good for the tree frogs to hunt. You can feed on a regular basis a handful of waxworms and butterworms. It is a beneficial part to the diet containing a whole meal between crickets and other feeders.

    As for the conditions I think it sounds okay with your setup. The only thing I can think of is it aqquired a disease or maybe was born with one but again I can't see the patches.

    How old is the frog and what supplements and lights do you use?

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    Vet finally got back to me and said he thought it might be fungal, so I've been out and about getting betadine and miconazole cream per his recommendation, and we'll see how that works.

    The lighting does get in the way of seeing any of the patches on her side, but the one on her hindquarters just above the right side of her hip is pretty clear in the picture.

    My frogs have never had butterworms, but they do get occasional wax worms, and sometimes wax moths if they manage to successfully gestate. I also give them some black soldier fly larvae on occasion, not just for the dietary benefits, but because of the acid they contain which helps manage parasites. It all really depends on local availability for the most part, especially during colder months. I do order some feeders online, but again, during colder months sometimes it's hard to get a large variety without exorbitant amounts on shipping unfortunately.

    This frog (her name's Everest, but we just call her Eve) I just got this last July. She's captive bred, and I assume she only hatched this last spring, but I have no way of varifying that. Their supplements are Repti-Calcium and Zilla vitamin supplement with beta carotene. Lighting is 2 18" full spectrum fluorescent lamps - Repti Sun - although I can't remember if they're 2.0, 5.0 or what-have-you, and I'd have to dig through the closet to look at the replacement lamp packages to say specifically.

    Anyway, I will try to post results and maybe some better pictures if my phone camera cooperates, so that if anybody else runs into this in the future this might be some help. If you have any other ideas, I'd love to hear them. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyla Sapiens View Post
    Vet finally got back to me and said he thought it might be fungal, so I've been out and about getting betadine and miconazole cream per his recommendation, and we'll see how that works.

    The lighting does get in the way of seeing any of the patches on her side, but the one on her hindquarters just above the right side of her hip is pretty clear in the picture.

    My frogs have never had butterworms, but they do get occasional wax worms, and sometimes wax moths if they manage to successfully gestate. I also give them some black soldier fly larvae on occasion, not just for the dietary benefits, but because of the acid they contain which helps manage parasites. It all really depends on local availability for the most part, especially during colder months. I do order some feeders online, but again, during colder months sometimes it's hard to get a large variety without exorbitant amounts on shipping unfortunately.

    This frog (her name's Everest, but we just call her Eve) I just got this last July. She's captive bred, and I assume she only hatched this last spring, but I have no way of varifying that. Their supplements are Repti-Calcium and Zilla vitamin supplement with beta carotene. Lighting is 2 18" full spectrum fluorescent lamps - Repti Sun - although I can't remember if they're 2.0, 5.0 or what-have-you, and I'd have to dig through the closet to look at the replacement lamp packages to say specifically.

    Anyway, I will try to post results and maybe some better pictures if my phone camera cooperates, so that if anybody else runs into this in the future this might be some help. If you have any other ideas, I'd love to hear them. Thanks
    Sounds like you have been keeping the tree frogs a long time.

    I am happy they found the problem. Hopefully she makes a full recovery for you.

    I was suggesting waxworms and butterworms as an additional part to the main diet because it will help to keep fat up and will compliment the crickets and etc of the staple feeder. It's more like having fries or mac and cheese along with your meat or main course. It just is a better idea. I have heard that crickets, roaches, isopods and Calci Worms are all good staple diet food and I use all but roaches. I think that the Calci Worms are very beneficial as well and I love watching the tree frogs hunt the black soldier flies.

    I have a video coming out about that I can share it with you if you want to see some of my gray tree frogs hunt them.

    The source I'm using for the feeders is Frank Indiviglio he has some articles on the web. They are really useful!

    Good luck with the recovery for the frog!

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    If that video you mentioned will be on the PA woods vivarium channel, I'm already subbed there, so I'll see it when you post it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hyla Sapiens View Post
    If that video you mentioned will be on the PA woods vivarium channel, I'm already subbed there, so I'll see it when you post it.
    Thank you for subscribing that is awesome man! I really appreciate that! Yes the next video will be uploaded at the end of the month for New Years Eve as a special Swarms Battle with guest stars the Dumpy Family. I am very excited to share that with you. If you want to comment and share anything with me on here or on the channel in a comment I'd be glad to hear from you!

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    Hi there Hyla Sapiens!

    For what it's worth, one of my greys had a really similar issue a while back, except her spot was dark, not light (see here: http://www.frogforum.net/showthread....Grey-Tree-Frog)

    In the end the spot went away on its own, and in fact when I looked back at old pictures of her I could see it very gradually coming up, so it couldn't have been a burn like I originally thought. I never did figure out what it actually was.

    Also, where did you manage to find captive-bred greys? I am constantly trying to figure out where to get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EtTuBrute View Post
    Hi there Hyla Sapiens!

    For what it's worth, one of my greys had a really similar issue a while back, except her spot was dark, not light (see here: http://www.frogforum.net/showthread....Grey-Tree-Frog)

    In the end the spot went away on its own, and in fact when I looked back at old pictures of her I could see it very gradually coming up, so it couldn't have been a burn like I originally thought. I never did figure out what it actually was.

    Also, where did you manage to find captive-bred greys? I am constantly trying to figure out where to get them.
    The only time I've seen a dark spot like that on one of my greys was years ago, and it was actually a temporary scar.

    Although it seems to be clearing up now, Eve's skin bleaching eventually spread to most of her body. It's just her head and a wedge down her back in the middle of her markings that hasn't significantly whitened. At first, my vet thought it was a fungal issue, probably in large part to how badly she's been itching since it started, but after miconozole had no effect, he took a skin sample and could find absolutely nothing wrong. Even after putting in a couple of calls to specialists, he's turned up nothing. Thankfully, it is clearing up, albeit very slowly.

    I buy my greys from a pet store in Las Vegas. I had to pester the poor owner for months to get the last group I got. Took him a while to find some, but it looks like they still have some there. http://exoticpetslv.com/products/gray-tree-frogs.html

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