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    Hi all,

    This is my first post on here although I am not new to keep reptiles and amphibians.

    I a creating a new enclosure for my red eyes and this is something I have not done before to this level.

    I have purchased an exo terra 60x45x60 (they are currently in a 45x45x60 but this is going to be a new home for some dart frogs.

    anyway I really want a water feature (waterfall into a stream that runs into a pond!) but I have some questions as to how to go about this.

    I will install a false bottom using egg crate and an internal pump to circulate water from the pond back up to the waterfall/stream.
    question is should I have 2 separate water systems or 1. If only one what do I use to separate the substrate from the pond?

    This new set up is still just a hobby one but I am looking at trying to breed them so will be installing a rain system also.

    Any advise will be well received, thanks,

    Scott

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    so construction has started!!
    Had a change of plan and decided against egg crate system.

    Instead I am using polystyrene sheet to construct the waterfall elements. You can see the basic construction elements are ready;

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    next step is to silicone

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    Firstly I apologise that most of pictures are 90 degrees out, for some reason If I take a picture on my phone in portrait mode I can't rotate it or load it any differently.

    Now to the progress,
    The sides were silicone and the polystyrene structure fixed in place. I did a quick water test (only a cup) to check the water would run where I wanted it to.
    Then comes the expanding foam, started at the bottom first and placed tubing to connect the pond to the pump area and also the main tank (although I have now decided to block this off as it wouldn't work and might not allow the required bacteria build up).
    Then the tank was laid flat and the background foam was applied. I also added some empty pots .

    Trimmed all this back and carried out a full water test last night with the pump, it looked great and really seems to work well (I might work on the waterfall a bit more to get it perfect though).

    Next step is grouting

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    Very nice layout and great job on the construction!

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    You may want drainage holes on you planters through your foam. Otherwise you will get water retention and flood your plants and root rot. (Potentially)

    Also Foam has been known to separate itself from glass after 6 months or more and it could cause your other half of your tank to flood out where you put soil.

    Also, RETFs require fresh water daily. Not sure if there is any long term effects to a RETF which has water that remains in the tank and runs through open celled foam over time. My waterfalls are usually made from MOPANI wood instead. I look forward to hearing your success rate on your tank and future inhabitants.

    I could be wrong though.
    Thoughts

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    Quote Originally Posted by froggyhobby View Post
    You may want drainage holes on you planters through your foam. Otherwise you will get water retention and flood your plants and root rot. (Potentially)

    Also Foam has been known to separate itself from glass after 6 months or more and it could cause your other half of your tank to flood out where you put soil.

    Also, RETFs require fresh water daily. Not sure if there is any long term effects to a RETF which has water that remains in the tank and runs through open celled foam over time
    I am by no means an expert but I have done a little research.
    Good shout on the drainage holes I will definitely look into that.
    As for the foam yes you are right but this is one of the reasons for adding the silicone to the glass prior to Foaming (that and how unsightly it is through the glass)
    The reason for the fresh water is to stop bacteria build up in the small pools normally provided to RETF's, there will be approximately 1 gallon of water in this system and I plan on doing regular water changes (how regular they need to be I am not sure but will be at least 10% a week). Also the foam is being well sealed so that any potential toxic leak from foam will not happen.

    Hopefully these steps prevent any of the issues you have highlighted, thanks for the feedback though it is always appreciated.

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    Grouting almost complete
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    Will want to trim back some of this silicone too, put a bit too much on

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    Oh how wonderful! I have been thinking about doing a waterfall setup for my 18x18x24. Did you have any guides or references for this when you started it? Love the form and flow of it too, by the way. =)

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    Quote Originally Posted by Heuchera View Post
    Oh how wonderful! I have been thinking about doing a waterfall setup for my 18x18x24. Did you have any guides or references for this when you started it? Love the form and flow of it too, by the way. =)
    Thanks, I used you tube a lot. Best I found was a guy with page "Foam and Lizards" he has some interesting videos..

    So grouting is now complete, I applied 2 coats and on the second went over with the brush and some water to smooth out as much as possible.
    At the moment the texture is quite rough and although once painted and sealed it should be nice and smooth I am slightly concerned about the frogs finding it too rough

    Background has also have the substrate mix/peat applied, this was done by applying silicone sealant to the foam and then covering. A tip here is to cut the foam back enough to make it reasonably flat, this makes the application of the peat much easier.
    First coat of paint is also applied (my wife is doing this as she is much better at it than I am!)

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    All my pond plants have no drainage holes, its better that way so you can fertilize. Looking at your pic, roots will grow everywhere with those pots. Cool setup!

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    Default Re: New Red Eye Set up - including water feature/pond

    It has taken a long time to get all the leaks plugged in this water feature (lesson learned here, make sure everything is water tight before you start finishing things off!!)

    Substrate layer is now in (isopods going in this weekend)
    then lighting and plants, will let everything settle for a few weeks before my RETF's in

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