Pacman frogs habitat...

[jasonm96]

Why does everyone think horned frogs live on the forest floor? I've read ornates inhabit grasslands? I'd imagine their habitat would be much like African bull frogs; semi-arid grasslands, burrow when it dries, come out when the rains come and then go to the pools to breed and feed, then repeat.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

I think it's for our pleasure that they have a different type of habitat. And even then, there are different species of pac-man frog, C.cranwelli probably lives in the type of habitat that we use for them, so most people assume that the ornates need the same type of temperatures and humidity as well

[jasonm96]

Cranwelli's and ornates are pretty much the same, it's only the amazonian that requires higher humidity and consistent temperatures. The whole lifestyle and the fact they go to grassland pools to breed suggests to me that when they are active that they will be like ornates and african bull frogs. I don't know where this forest floor has came about. Maybe the amazonian horned frogs on the forest floor and would make sense why it would have a diet of mainly frogs, as it would receive little UVB and therefore would need great amounts of D3 from whole prey. A lot of people also say they are tropical, funnily enough and this also just tells me how much they know about their habitat, as they are more sub-tropical, as they come from the semi-arid chacoan region of south america.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

Well, I would try mimicking that and get a pac-man or two to test that out, have one in the classic Cranwelli and Ornata set-up, and make a natural one for another C.Cranwelli and Ornata

[jasonm96]

Ideally it would be good to put a horned frog in a set up with UVB but at add D3 supplements at the same time but not as often, to mimick the D3 they'd probably get with a varied diet and the Rays they'd get in the wild. however, I myself am not wanting to take this risk as there's not been any conclusive studies showing horned frogs to benefit this. I provide my tree frogs with UVB and basically no D3, as I know in the wild hyla cinerea would be limited to insects, which don't contain D3.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

Also, I've been thinking, maybe this is the secret that the breeders know, that these frogs need proper brumation and environmental needs to breed correctly

[jasonm96]

Sorry, what do you mean?

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

I mean, the reason that even though most of these animals are CB, only big breeders know the secret of breeding them successfully, and I think this is it. (This may be for African bullfrogs though, so believe what I said with a grain of salt)

[jasonm96]

UVB? I doubt it. Infact, I think because many breeders are wanting to breed animals as cheaply and easily as possible, they probably mainly rely on synthetic supplementation unless UVB is absolutely needed, but I could be wrong. Bearded dragons of course will have UVB but with many animals it's easier to keep them in a breeder rack with no lighting whatsoever. Crepuscular species that used to be considered nocturnal like Leopard geckos and crested geckos etc all now known to benefit from UVB, it would be a nightmare to then re-arrange their facilities to accommodate this. This is definitely the case with some pet shops anyway and it's ridiculous.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

Yes, but pet-shops aren't the ones to breed them. If we were to supplement the frogs with UVB, natural, grassland type habitat, and adequate filling and evaporation of water, (except for the tadpoles, because the parents shouldn't be anywhere near them, and they need water anyway) they should be bred more readily by non-big breeders

[jasonm96]

Talking about that makes me think of how cool it would be to get a large greenhouse, I mean pretty big - and then re-create the natural habitat, heating, lighting and install sprinklers, plant it, make a pond and adjust it the conditions to breed the frogs. You could probably keep a good few well-fed adults in this aswell, would be cool.

[Cliygh and Mia 2]

Now so do I. I don't know how they would do with a Jordanian summer though...