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    Unhappy pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    I'm at wits end with my pacman. He's always brumating(?), I think? He's always burrowed down and covered in slime. He's been like this for at least 4 months. I have another smaller pacman in the same type of setup, he appears to be fine. I'll fill out the form for best info:

    1. Size of enclosure
    10 g, glass with top 3/4 covered with plastic.
    2. # of inhabitants - specifically other frogs and size differences
    just one albino pacman of unknown sex
    3. Humidity
    80-90
    4. Temperature
    81f
    5. Water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
    Tap treated with reptisafe
    6. Materials used for substrate
    Spagnum moss and coconut fiber
    7. Enclosure set up i.e. plants (live or artificial), wood, bark and other materials.
    one fake plastic fish tank tree for cover. Looks like abonsai tree
    - How were things prepared prior to being put into the viv.
    8. Main food source
    large crickets
    9. Vitamins and calcium? (how often)
    every other day (when actually eats...he goes weeks without eating)
    10. Lighting
    ambient room lights, dim
    11. What is being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
    ambient room temp, I'm in az
    12. When is the last time he/she ate
    3 weeks ago? Maybe?
    13. Have you found poop lately
    nope
    14. A pic would be helpful including frog and enclosure (any including cell phone pic is fine)
    Cant figure out to add one via phone
    15. Describe frog's symptoms and/or recent physical changes; to include it's ventral/belly area.
    as I said before, he's in a skin sac hiding and not eating for months on end. :c
    16. How old is the frog
    1 yearish
    17. How long have you owned him/her
    1 year
    18. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred
    unknown
    19. Frog food- how often and if it is diverse, what other feeders are used as treats
    none accept crickets
    20. How often the frog is handled
    rarely
    21. Is the enclosure kept in a high or low traffic area
    low
    22. Describe enclosure maintenance (water changes, cleaning, etc)
    lately none, I don't want to disturb him.

    Thanks for any help you might give!

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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    The skin sac you're describing sounds like brumation... But all your husbandry is pretty spot-on so I don't know why he'd be doing it. The good news is it does sound like brumation rather than an illness so you don't have to immediately worry.
    How long have you had this frog, and has it always done this?

    Someone more experienced in breeding may be able to recommend a way to bring him out by simulating the beginning of the breeding season, but since your temps/humidity are already where they should be I can't think of any other way to bring him out.
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVirginiana View Post
    How long have you had this frog, and has it always done this?
    Pretty much the whole year I've owned him. :c
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Your humidity is a little high, but that shouldn't cause brumation. Only being a year old and constantly attempting to go into dormancy is a little odd. Does the frog have a water dish? If not place a shallow water dish in the enclosure.


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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    He's had a dish since I set up the tank. Haven't seen him use it though.
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiju View Post
    He's had a dish since I set up the tank. Haven't seen him use it though.
    Many rarely will, but if you bathe the frog in its enclosure where it feels more secure it may help.


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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Because I suspect he's blind, I've added an LED light to his tank during the day. I hope this stimulates his day/night cycle so he doesn't try to brumate so often.
    Here's hoping!
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    No luck. Buried down again after refusing food.
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiju View Post
    No luck. Buried down again after refusing food.
    Try another food source.


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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Tried a pinkie today, he refused it.
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    What is his condition? What does he look like? Is he really skinny? You might need to copy and paste a picture you posted on another website

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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Was the pinky live or frozen/thawed?
    Some frogs are very picky about eating food that isn't moving on its own.

    also I know that this might be a long shot since you have moss in the enclosure.
    The next time you dig it up , feel its sides for a semi soft or hard lump.
    If you feel a large lump, it needs to have a good BM.

    I would do a warm water soak with plain honey.
    What works the best for me is a plastic bin that has sides no shorter than 4in.
    A large dark colored towel.
    Another small plastic bin with just plain warm water to rinse off the honey.
    And some kind a thermometer to make sure the water is not above 82F MAX.

    The water level shouldn't be too deep that your frog has to swim to keep its nose above the water.
    The top of the water level should just touch its chin.

    You only need a few good large drops of honey in the water.

    once you mixed it completely , put th frog in and cover with the towel to keep it calm and a bit of privacy.
    45min should be long enough.

    In all actuality I would do the soak even if it doesn't have a lump just to help hydrate and give it some carbs to maybe
    increase its appetite.

    Best of luck.



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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Here's the requested photo. Poor buddy.

    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...pscdrvi38w.jpg
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Starting to look a little thin... I agree, check the frog's right side for a lump. If you can feel one, do a honey bath. You may need to gently massage the lump if nothing's happening.
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    I did the honey bath and changed his tank. Currently it's bare-bones moist paper towel, a water dish, and a hide. He's not slimy like before, but still not eating. Tried crickets, a nightcrawler, and a pinkie. D:
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Hello, im thinking you may want to bring this guy to a vet. If all your husbandry is spot on and nothing has changed for example the amount of day light and night he gets something else has to be up. I would give his normal enclosure a good cleaning and put him back in there until you figure out what is wrong. The bare tank is a good idea but he has no other cage mates to spread anything to if he does have something so you could put him back in there for the time being. I would put just enough eco earth that he can burrow down abit but you can still see him. The reason im saying this is because they burrow to cool down and get out of the direct sunlight, but they also do this to feel secure and safe. If I start fiddeling in my pacmans enclosure he will totally bury himself or if hes in a bad mood he will try to attack me. If he isn't able to bury he will become stressed and that will lower his immune system and could just make what ever is going on a lot worse. Again I think its time to bring him to a vet and if he hasn't eaten in like 2 weeks you may want to try and force feed because he is looking thin.

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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    When I get home next week I think I'll do just that.
    It's vet time, little buddy.
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    UPDATE: he's been eating and not brumating! I got him to eat a worm today!
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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Great news!

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    Default Re: pacman help: Not Eating, Always Hiding, sick?

    Definitely great news. Glad he is doing better.

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