Dart frog species question

[deranged chipmunk]

From this post alone I've learned more about darts and their subtle differences, than I had by randomly surfing the forum.

Thanks again everyone!

That's because we're a pretty brilliant group of people. Lol


Education is the most powerful weapon we can use to change the world ~ Nelson Mandela

[AbranV]

Seriously guys, your are a "pretty brilliant group of people" but what really sets you all apart from the rest is how overwhelmingly helpful everyone is, their willingness to share. Not to mention the clear cut, no BS answers that I ask for.

I have many hobbies/interests, which nowadays means many forums. Frog Forum is one of the most member friendly and user respectful forum I've joined.

Your knowledge and willingness is even more important when dealing with the health and safety of somewhat fragile animals.

So thank you from me, Mija my bullfrog, Elway and Atwater my PCF's and the soon to be (fill in the blank frog) I will be adding soon.


Which brings me back to pac or dart? Dart or pac?

Still can't make up my mind

[deranged chipmunk]

Awwww, stop! You are going to make Paul blush!!

Darts all the way! But I am biased. I have only kept tree frogs, darts and mantellas. But pacs do carry a special appeal. Heather has 2 and her's are so cute!! Most pacs are. I know I am of no help, sorry lol I think you should get both!!


Education is the most powerful weapon we can use to change the world ~ Nelson Mandela

[AbranV]

I think going to an Expo was a bad idea. It's sooooo much harder when you finally get to see all of them in the flesh. A person needs to be careful I was thinking "I'll take that one, and that one, ooooh look at that one" During the whole freaking expo.

Which is why my wife has enrolled me into *A.A.(amphibians anonymous)

"Hello, my name is Abran, and I collect frogs" "I've been collecting frogs for three years" "its been one summer since my last frog"



*I mean no disrespect to the actual AA, and its members

[FwoGiZ]

Terribilis and pacman are my two favorite frogs of ALL frogs.
Lemme tell you what I think about them.
Pacman is a garbage can with 2 eyes and a huge mouth.. not even sure they have legs. They'll burrow, sometimes you won't even see them, sometimes they'll just be half burrowed, usually when they're not stressed or have some kind of cover over their head. They will eat ANYTHING they can, including your fingers so tongs are a must. They will ignore small food items so I am not sure crickets is a good staple for them.. they might ingest too much coco fiber and that really isn't good as it can cause impaction. Ultimately you wanna hand (or more like tong right?) feed em. Roaches, earthworms, a pinky every couple months to show off with your friends... they can be picky eater too and that can be problematic. They require 80F and 80% humidity. It can be tricky to keep temp up because you can't use under tank heatmats. They never move... but feeding em is exciting and quite a show. They're nocturnal but you can wake em up during day time and they'll still eat but I guess that depends on the frog individual; you don't wanna do that with an already stressed frog! They don't require big tank either... lid optional! Only ONE frog can be kept in a tank... they're way too mean. Tank is vveeeryy easy to setup!
There are lotso different type of pacmans;
ornate; great colors and they'll keep it... along with cranwelli, I am finding em the most voracious and reach biggest size
cranwell; literally like an ornate except they'll loose their color as they get bigger, to turn into a dull brown yellowish color.. so if you like green and red, go for an ornate! cranwell is the only readily avail albino too so I'd go ornate but if you want cranwell, get an albino one! both frogs should be around 30-50$
cornuta; way different colors and patterns and shape. light green to light tan, pointy eyes. they're usually a bit more shy, harder to keep 60-90$
fantasy; they're prolly the only hybrid frog accepted (for some reason) on the frog market.. they're AWESOME frogs! Crazy colors.. similar shape to cornuta with cranwell behavior... prolly cause it's an hybrid of both 40-50$
samurai; those are pretty rare and I can't tell you much about them... I never had one but my friend did and it died within 2 years but I think the poor thing had a calcium overdose (mouse staple is very bad) price can range from 100-XXX$!!!

Now for darts, there are too many to go into it but if we want to compare to pacmans pros n cons wise... well first off they're diurnal and can vary in how bold they are, sizes, and behavior. Colors are almost infinite... they're super easy to feed as fruitflies are sooo cheap and easy to culture... prices can range from 20-XXX$. Much more interesting if you have at least 2-3-4 frogs depending on species! They're way more entertaining than a pacman frog in the sense as they'll constantly be doing something during daytime, then again it depends on species, while a pacman frog is a one time "oh did you even see that? it ate that roach in like 1/16th of a sec!!!" and then frog go dormant again... Dart frogs will want a more elaborated vivarium than a pacman, because usually you'll wanna plant it so there is a bit more time involved but for most people, it's actually a blast! Or you can just have it made by another frogger... lots will be more than happy to help you out or even just build one for you!


If you tell us what you think is so kewl about frogs or what interest you, we can help you make a better choice but I am telling you, those tincts are great!! They're similar to some pretty tropical fishes! They look pretty, they basically just move around and kewl to watch eating... that's it!

[deranged chipmunk]

I think going to an Expo was a bad idea. It's sooooo much harder when you finally get to see all of them in the flesh. A person needs to be careful I was thinking "I'll take that one, and that one, ooooh look at that one" During the whole freaking expo.

Which is why my wife has enrolled me into *A.A.(amphibians anonymous)

"Hello, my name is Abran, and I collect frogs" "I've been collecting frogs for three years" "its been one summer since my last frog"



*I mean no disrespect to the actual AA, and its members

Expos were created by the devil, I swear it to be true. If you thought it was bad just looking for frogs, think of us who keep other things. The last expo i went to, Mrs. chipmunk joined me. All things were going well until I got caught up at the tarantula tables. She was fine with all the frogs and all the snakes, it was the spiders she hated most, and of course, are one of my loves.

And I agree, I walk through expos going, I'll take that frog and that frog and that frog and OOH! Geckos! I'll take him and her and her and him and LOOK! Snakes!! It's never ending!! Lol


Education is the most powerful weapon we can use to change the world ~ Nelson Mandela

[AbranV]

Funny you brought Mrs. Chipmunk up. It was my wife and I's first expo. She fell in love with the pacs and darts that day, BUT the most surprising thing out of that trip was the mantids!

My wife was enthralled with all of the different types. Which means we will eventually have one in our collection. I'll have questions about those later. Right now I need to strike while the irons hot and she changes her mind about another frog....

[deranged chipmunk]

Lucky you! I can never find mantids at the shows, and I so want an orchid mantis!!

It was my wife and daughter's first show each. My daughter loved it. In fact, if daddy didn't spend all his money on frogs, she would have ended up with a hatchling King snake lol


Education is the most powerful weapon we can use to change the world ~ Nelson Mandela

[AbranV]

Chipmunk, I left you a little gift in your inbox. Let me know if you don't get it and I'll resend it.

[flybyferns]

Sorry about the confusion on the darts, the pic I posted was from PETCO. In the OP I mentioned that I met a breeder, and at the time I had not heard back from him.

From this post alone I've learned more about darts and their subtle differences, than I had by randomly surfing the forum.

Thanks again everyone!

I'm so glad you were confused too!
Billy accused me of "needing more coffee".
Something , although he is unaware of this, he will pay for......dearly !

[flybyferns]

Seriously guys, your are a "pretty brilliant group of people" but what really sets you all apart from the rest is how overwhelmingly helpful everyone is, their willingness to share. Not to mention the clear cut, no BS answers that I ask for.

I have many hobbies/interests, which nowadays means many forums. Frog Forum is one of the most member friendly and user respectful forum I've joined.

Your knowledge and willingness is even more important when dealing with the health and safety of somewhat fragile animals.

So thank you from me, Mija my bullfrog, Elway and Atwater my PCF's and the soon to be (fill in the blank frog) I will be adding soon.


Which brings me back to pac or dart? Dart or pac?

Still can't make up my mind

Dart !!!!!!!

[Vivariums In The Mist]

Darts!!!!!