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    Unhappy Endless Swimming

    For the past few days one of my frogs has been swimming with very small breaks. I have checked the water and everything seems to be fine. She was like this before I added sand substrate, and now that I added substrate.
    I have noticed she started this when I rearranged the aquarium. Could this be stress? I use Seachem Prime, which has slime coat so I would think that she would be fine.
    I do not think it is the environment or water. There are two nice places to be hidden in that are covered by some plants. My other frog seems to take advantage of those while this one keeps swimming.
    I know frogs can have their own personalities, but I'm starting to wonder if she is even sleeping.
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    Default Re: Endless Swimming

    Here is some information

    1. Tank Size and volume of water in it (full, 1/2 filled, etc.)?
    20 gallon, filled about two inches from the very top for breathing room.

    2. Number of inhabitants including all frogs and any fish?
    Two African clawed frogs

    3. Water source and any conditioner treatments?
    From the tap treated with Seachem Prime

    4. Water Temperature and how is it heated (if so)?
    Too warm. Between 74-76F. I am managing to cool it down by opening up the windows, turning of the air and using a boxfan to blow directly at the aquarium.

    5. Water chemistry levels: pH; Ammonia (NH3); Nitrites (NO2); Nitrates (NO3)? Note that if you do not have test kits, most aquariums/pet shops will do complimentary tests if you take a clean water sample.
    Everything was at zero, but I had recently reassembled my aquarium.

    6. Describe any filter system including model and media?
    Tetra Ex 20 Powerfilter, using standard filter pads
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    7. Substrate type?
    Newly added play sand that had been rinsed the sand twice.

    8. Tank set-up (plants (live or artificial), driftwood, hide outs and other decor? - How were things prepared prior to being put into the tank?
    Before being put in I soak them in decholrinated/conditioned water. There are two hide outs, one medium one large, a rainbow decoration, a large buddah decoration, small columns, and three silk plants. I try to arrange it so there is a good flow and the plants give plenty of coverage/hiding space.

    9. Main frog staple food and any treats? How often you feed?
    Reptomin plus vitamin C and Calcium. The very occasional treat of a sinking shrimp pellet. I feed them about three sticks each per day.

    10. CA, vitamins, and any other additives used (how often)?
    None

    11. Lighting set-up and hours it's used?
    None

    12. When is the last time frog ate?
    The swimming frog did not eat today. It was much too busy swimming around to stop for water.

    13. Have you found poop lately?
    No, but it's a fairly new set up

    14. A picture would be helpful including frog and tank (any including cell phone pics are fine).
    The tank: Name:  Screen shot 2013-12-01 at 10.05.59 PM.jpg
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Size:  50.6 KB A video of her swimming: http://instagram.com/p/hZzDl1pnR8/ She does this at a near constant, showing little signs of stopping. Normally she can not get enough food, but today I could not keep up with her to get her even inter

    15. How old is the frog?
    Nearly four months old.

    16. How long have you owned him/her?
    Nearly four months.

    17. Is the frog wild caught or captive bred?
    Very likely to be captive bred.

    18. Any medications in the water (treatment dosis and for how long)?
    None

    19. Any salt in water (how much)?
    None

    20. Is the tank kept in a high or low traffic area?
    Medium-Low

    21. Describe tank maintenance to include water changes, cleaning, media changes, etc.).
    Recent large waterchange, rinsed off the debris from the filter. Though I remove food about 10-15 minutes after giving them it so it doesn't stay in the tank. The amount of water taken is minimal.
    The tank is currently in a cycle. I use seachem stability to aid it in working. While I wait for the nitrites to drop naturally (or will they be? I will have to find out in the morning) I used to dose with Seachem Prime every 48 hours to prevent nitrite poisoning. If the nitrites are acting up I plan on following something similar.


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    Last edited by LeClownBlanc; December 1st, 2013 at 09:08 PM.
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    Default Re: Endless Swimming

    I guess there are just some days or outside weather changes that pushes them to swim around. They are sensitive to barometric pressure. It could be hungry or their tank's spot is too bright for them. Air brushing to the surface also triggers them to swim around to check what's up. Maybe water conditions are slightly off.

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    I'll try to feed her and see what happens. I never thought I underfed her (I assume she's female....I suppose she just has a lot of growing to do in comparison to our male; hence doing the food dance so often...)

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    Fed the spazz, she ate just about two sticks of reptomin. The other was a little peckish himself but this was an unexpected feeding time so he didn't eat quite the same amount.
    I am the least bit unsure about the barrometric pressure, because the other doesn't show very much of these antics.

    I suppose she's stressed by her tank's environment change.

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    Default Re: Endless Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by LeClownBlanc View Post
    For the past few days one of my frogs has been swimming with very small breaks. I have checked the water and everything seems to be fine. She was like this before I added sand substrate, and now that I added substrate.
    I have noticed she started this when I rearranged the aquarium. Could this be stress? I use Seachem Prime, which has slime coat so I would think that she would be fine.
    I do not think it is the environment or water. There are two nice places to be hidden in that are covered by some plants. My other frog seems to take advantage of those while this one keeps swimming.
    I know frogs can have their own personalities, but I'm starting to wonder if she is even sleeping.
    Is your frog young? Juvenile ACF are spaz swimmers. I have a young frog in a 10 gallon tank and when his lights are on he is calm and he basks all day. At night he swims all over the place like a total nutcase, knocks his thermometer off, and is prone to injure himself. He will stop a bit, sing a song (he's a male) and then go back to being a spaz.

    Only happens at night, weirdest thing. Can't really explain it.

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    She is rather young still, far from an adult so it may be just young energy?
    I don't know if it is mainly at night but I will try to see if there is a difference between the times.

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    It actually seems like she is just as acitve, maybe a bit less spazztic. If this is common then it isn't so concerning. I know many young animals get a lot of energy at times.

    I just want to make sure there isn't a health concern. I can get her to eat, she is just more interested in swimming.
    However, she must get tired soon and must have rested. Unless there is frog insomnia ...

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    Default Re: Endless Swimming

    She is still swimming around and getting into things. Do you think she perhaps just really likes to swim? Or maybe swimming out growing pains?
    The water looks fine and her tankmate is as relaxed as ever.

    However, it is notable that when I put her in the small, holding tank she is very relaxed and does nothing but sit at the bottom. But when I put her in the 20 gallon it is almost as if she has never been in water before.
    Could the change in scenery be causing the endless swimming? She has been doing this before we started fussing with the tank though. My estimate would be maybe five days of near-constant swimming. I guess it is good that she takes the occasional 5-10 break, but I wonder what is distressing her.
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    Default Re: Endless Swimming

    Is this bad for her health?
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    Default Re: Endless Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by LeClownBlanc View Post
    Is this bad for her health?
    or juvenile antics
    I pulled an all nighter and saw she did rest.

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    Default Re: Endless Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by LeClownBlanc View Post
    or juvenile antics
    I pulled an all nighter and saw she did rest.

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    As long as you are doing partial water changes weekly your frog should be fine. Young frogs just swim around a lot, I see mine doing the same thing at night.

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    Thank you for the reassurance,mpmistr. I just glanced at our tank and all is still (o:

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