My new friend, Albino Horned Frog, Graboule !

[GRABibus]

My frog sheds skin everyday since 3 days.
Humidity is ok (70 to 80%). Reptifogger and spray. Mineral water for spary and demineralised water for reptifogger.
Temp is 27°C to 28°C at day.
Substrate is blond peat without fertilizer.

Wha'ts your opinion ?

Could it be a health problem ? Can it be a too high acid level in blond peat ? (Ph is between 2,5 and 4).

I remember that my former cranwelli shedded also everyday after having hibernated in the same substrate and was very apathic.

[GrifTheGreat]

My frog sheds skin everyday since 3 days.
Humidity is ok (70 to 80%). Reptifogger and spray. Mineral water for spary and demineralised water for reptifogger.
Temp is 27°C to 28°C at day.
Substrate is blond peat without fertilizer.

Wha'ts your opinion ?

Could it be a health problem ? Can it be a too high acid level in blond peat ? (Ph is between 2,5 and 4).

I remember that my former cranwelli shedded also everyday after having hibernated in the same substrate and was very apathic.

I would get rid of the moss and use Coconut Fiber. Acidic soil is not good for them to burrow into, but it is not uncommon for a baby or young juvnile to shed everyday or every other day.

Probably due to the acidity of the soil. I would swap it out.

[GRABibus]

I am worried.
Apathic, always shedding, and feeding response = 0

I swapped out the blond peat and put coco fiber in the breeding box.

I also decreased the temp from 28°C to 26°C to see if it helps.

[GrifTheGreat]

I am worried.
Apathic, always shedding, and feeding response = 0

I swapped out the blond peat and put coco fiber in the breeding box.

I also decreased the temp from 28°C to 26°C to see if it helps.

What kind of lighting are you using??

[GRABibus]

Reptiglo 13W UVB2.0 on which I attenuate the light. So it's not dark of course, but light is very "light"

PS : 2 hours today playing with the tongue make her eating one red runner roach and one piece of nighcrawler...Since 3 days it is like this.
It was 2 minutes the first 3 days at my home.
Maybe she is not so much hungry (She ate everyday since she arrived...
I insist on the feeding because I leave for 10 days.
during those 10 days, as I said, someone will come take care of her and will try feeding with one dead pinkie.

[GrifTheGreat]

Reptiglo 13W UVB2.0 on which I attenuate the light. So it's not dark of course, but light is very "light"

PS : 2 hours today playing with the tongue make her eating one red runner roach and one piece of nighcrawler...Since 3 days it is like this.
It was 2 minutes the first 3 days at my home.
Maybe she is not so much hungry (She ate everyday since she arrived...
I insist on the feeding because I leave for 10 days.
during those 10 days, as I said, someone will come take care of her and will try feeding with one dead pinkie.

You can't use daylight bulbs for Albinos. UVA and UVB are bad for them. They can go blind and receive skin damage. Stop using the Repti Glo now. You can only use night time bulbs like Infrared and Moonlight bulbs for Albinos. Or a Ceramic Heat Emitter.

This is part of the problem. The frog is becoming seriously stressed from the light.

[GRABibus]

I think I didn't explain well.
The light is so much attenuated : it's quite dark !
And UVB 2.0 at 45cm has no effect. But as she doesn't receive the full light, no problem.
I put plates between the Repitglo and the top cover of the terrarium so that it is like she has 1W light only !
Be sure, she has no agressive light.
She had much more light at the pet store and ate much more.
I think it is stress a little bit and also the fact that she ate everyday since she is at my home (At the pet store shet ate 3 to 4 times per week).

[GRABibus]

Grif, I think it is linked to perpetual shedding.
This apathic behaviour I can see is linked to the fact that she sheds everyday.
At the moment, she is shedding..thi sis why she has a very bad feeeding response and slow appetite.
Question is : why does this shedding process disturbs her appetite so much ?...

[GrifTheGreat]

Grif, I think it is linked to perpetual shedding.
This apathic behaviour I can see is linked to the fact that she sheds everyday.
At the moment, she is shedding..thi sis why she has a very bad feeeding response and slow appetite.
Question is : why does this shedding process disturbs her appetite so much ?...

Because they eat their shed skin.

Actually I think your frog might have some kind of skin infection. Could be fungal which they will shed many times trying to get the fungus off that is irritating the frog's skin. I cannot be sure because I can't see your frog doing this. Is the humidity correct? When I ask if the humidith is correct I want to know ambient air moisture. Not the substrate.

[GRABibus]

70% to 80%. Reptifogger is used above the breeding box.
Could it be that is to much moist ?
Should I stop the reptifogger ?

I remember my cranwelli was doing the same after hibernate....

WTF ???????

I reallly have no chance with pacmans...If I fail again here, this could be my last. I will change specie

[GrifTheGreat]

70% to 80%. Reptifogger is used above the breeding box.
Could it be that is to much moist ?
Should I stop the reptifogger ?

Is it on a control unit or timer to shut it off or on constantly? If it is on constantly then this is most likely the problem. The moisture from the fog will condense onto the frogs skin and can cause them to shed excessively. You can't have the fogger on constantly like that. It just needs to turn on when the humidity drops too low.

Try placing it on a timer so it kicks on and off throughout the day. This may solve the problem.

[GRABibus]

It is on timer.
It sprays at minimum power during 30mns each 3 hours.

[GrifTheGreat]

It is on timer.
It sprays at minimum power during 30mns each 3 hours.

This is strange because it doesn't make sense that you had the same trouble with your last Pacman doing the same thing. Omething is not quite right with your setup or your frog happens to have the same problem that your last pacman had.

When you get the chance. Look over your frog really well. Look for any redness of the skin or inflamation. It will be easily seen on an Albino. Any raised discolored areas or fuzzy areas. These are signs of external bacteria infections or fungal infections.

[GRABibus]

Yes, I checked this.
She has no red parts on her. I just tried to feed her some inutes ago and she ate one roach with the tongue with fast reaction (The shedding is just finished).
It shows it is not a fungus or a problematic disease problem Grif, am I right ?

I will try to spray the fog of the reptifogger much more above her (So that she doesn't receive the spray directly on her body as until now) and I will change the timing : 30 mns each 4 hours. Let's see.

I leave tomorrow on holidays. The person who will come to take care of her wil let me know and I will see if she is recovering after my return.

PS : and 2 roaches more !

[GrifTheGreat]

Yes, I checked this.
She has no red parts on her. I just tried to feed her some inutes ago and she ate one roach with the tongue with fast reaction (The shedding is just finished).
It shows it is not a fungus or a problematic disease problem Grif, am I right ?

IU will try to spray the fog much more above her (So that she doesn't receive the spary on her complete body as until now) and I will change the timing : 30 mns each 4 hours. Let's see.

I leave tomorrow on holidays. The person who will come ito take care of her wil let me know and I will see if she is recovering after my return.

PS : and 2 roaches more !

I believe the frog is fine then. You will need to wait until the frog is completely finished shedding before offering food. Mine will not eat a lot after having shed so this may be why yours has less of a feeding response.

[GRABibus]

You are right.
But I will go deep in your hypothesis that this perpetual shedding may be due to the fog she receives on her entire body.
Maybe she will shed again tomorrow with again an apathic behavior...Except if it is due to too much fog on the body....

Now an earthworm ! omg she is hungry now...

[GrifTheGreat]

You are right.
But I will go deep in your hypothesis that this perpetual shedding may be due to the fog she receives on her entire body.
Maybe she will shed again tomorrow with again an apathic behavior...Except if it is due to too much fog on the body....

Now an earthworm ! omg she is hungry now...

That is a good sign.

Do note that they will occationally slow down on the amount of food they eat. When not having a growth spurt the frog will not eat as much, but during a large growth spurt te frog will almost seem to never get full.

[GRABibus]

I will check if she still sheds so much when I come back end of May.
I cross fingers.
Thank you

[GrifTheGreat]

I will check if she still sheds so much when I come back end of May.
I cross fingers.
Thank you

You're welcome.

[GRABibus]

Back from Holidays, with a wonderful week in Club Med at Kemer (Turkey) !

Some news of my Graboule :
One person came to take care of it : removing poops, changing substrate, mositing substrate and feeding with one pinky.
Everything went perfect (I was a little bit worried in Turkey at sometimes )

I came back today : I change the substrate of the breeding box, she/he took a bath and pooped in it and she/he ate 5 medium locusts !
It seems ok.

Here are the pictures from today :