What morph pacman frog get the biggest

[Dabrute]

or close in size as a PIXIE? Is that a silly question? lol

[Justin Bailey]

I have not found that any of them get as large as pixies, but in my experience the adult female Ornates have been the largest of my horned frogs. People say Aurita get huge, but I have not seen evidence of that as of yet and I have been working with horned frogs for over fifteen years.

[Mentat]

Agree with Justin remarks . Never seen a Pacman close to male African Bullfrog in size. If you desire a large Pacman, recommend getting a known female Ornate (the high reds or solid green are awesome). If starting with a juvenile and it turns to be a male; you can either keep or try and trade for a female. Aurita's are lot more expensive and you could still end up with a smaller male. Good luck !

[Herpguy]

Orwells (ornata x cranwelli) can occasionally reach the 8" mark. However, I've only seen them available only twice over the years, it is really not economical for a breeder to produce them, as there is a large amount of egg infertility and tadpole die-off.

[GrifTheGreat]

I have two aurita and so far they are not huge, but most Ceratophrys get large with age. My largest is a female C. cranwelli at 5.25" SVL and about 5" wide when well hydrated. None of my Onates are huge. My female is just over 4", but she isn't very old and both my males are not exceptionally large either with Zephyr just under 4" and Sanguine barely over 3".

[Dabrute]

Any pics?

[Lija]

here you go-ornates:

10 month old Ruby, she is a bit over 6", but still my baby girl


and my 6month old boy Emis, he is close to 5,5" and about the same across.

[GrifTheGreat]

Zephyr.



Aileron(female)



Oasis(female cranwelli and my largest). Shes grown 0.25" since this pic.



Aurita 1. 3.75"



Aurita 2. 3.25"

[Dabrute]

wow so females get bigger? how can you sex them? I'm going to the reptile expo this weekend and they sometimes have them for sale. Also can you house them together? I have a 29 gal long.

[Justin Bailey]

Here is a 5.5'' blob of a male lol.



A 5'' male

and a big ol' 6'' female, not the best picture, but yeah...

[Dabrute]

nice!

[Justin Bailey]

A big factor for me when sexing besides the size of the frog obviously, is to look at the shape of the head. If you look at pictures of males they have a narrow head in comparison to the width of their body, while the female has an evenly wide head in comparison to the body. Also males tend to have a darker mottled looking throat, and if young will have pinkish circular "pads" on the thumbs of their hands, if older the pads will be a darker brown I have noticed in my experience. The females do not have these pads.
As far as keeping them together, I would not. There are some people who manage to keep them together, but I have never been able to. Any Ornate I have ever owned has been the most snap happy bunch of frogs I have kept. My largest female would jump up in the air and do backflips across the tank trying to grab my fingers as soon as I would open the tank lid. I have also had several younger Ornates that used eachother as a snack when I tried to keep a small group of them together.
I use plastic tubs and can find them for as little as a dollar a piece at times, so you can house several frogs each in their separate tub for quite a bit less money than using expensive aquariums.

[Mentat]

here you go-ornates...

Wow Lija, had not seen these guys ! Awesome Ornates !

[aluras]

great pictures everyone, I love the size comps...very nice.

[Lija]

Grif i must say i'm in love with your aurita n1 what is his name? or it is a she?

[GrifTheGreat]

Grif i must say i'm in love with your aurita n1 what is his name? or it is a she?

Once we determine which is a proven male and proven female the male will be Cerberus and the female will be Sarvarä.

I'm liking your Ornatas. They would make some pretty babies.

[Lija]

are you saying i should breed them? hm..... once I'm done having treating every possible disease, that happens to hunt my frogs may be i should think about it.... just got confirmed that one of my waxies have sarcoma, how wonderful is that but ornates are healthy and happy as long as food is coming like a clock, male prefers to not hunt, he sees food, opens his mouth and waits for me to put it in.


sorry for off topic.

[GrifTheGreat]

are you saying i should breed them? hm..... once I'm done having treating every possible disease, that happens to hunt my frogs may be i should think about it.... just got confirmed that one of my waxies have sarcoma, how wonderful is that but ornates are healthy and happy as long as food is coming like a clock, male prefers to not hunt, he sees food, opens his mouth and waits for me to put it in.


sorry for off topic.

Yeah frogs are not immune to cancer. My Green Apple died of Carcinoma of the Liver and there is no known treatment for this in amphibians. It is impossible to not expose them to disease. We just have to do our best to prevent it and build their immune system up.

Perhaps later on you should consider breeding them.

[Dabrute]

THE Ornate Horned Frogs is a pacman right?

[Justin Bailey]

Yeah, Ornate horned frog/Ornate pacman frog same thing.