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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    Just got a couple pothos trimmings from my aunt. About 8-10 inches long. Do I do anything special to get them to grow in the tank or do I just make sure the snipped end is in the water and the leaves trailing?
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    I'd just give the pothos a good rinsing and make sure the snipped end is submerged a few inches. Leaves that are lying in the water tend to go mushy, so try to keep them in the air as much as possible (they can be trimmed if they start to go off). My standard for propagating pothos is to take pieces about the size you have and put the stems in a glass of water, provided they don't dry out they can live this way for years.

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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    Thank you so much!
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    The most likely case with the barking and amplexing is that you
    either have a breeding pair or you have two confused males,
    usually sucsessful amplexus will take several days. The breeding
    behaviour may just be a change in temperature or water
    "A Righteous man cares for his animals" - Proverbs 12:10
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    1.1.0 Dendrobates auratus "Nicaraguan"
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    Yeah I have two males constantly barking amplexing, FBT do it a lot

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    Is there a way to definitively tell their gender by appearance? Does the really pimply back indicate male? (almost looks like a bump on top of a bump). I have been going crosseyed trying to figure out who's who! And to confirm what I read, only the males sit there and bark, right? I had a few barking at once so I was just curious.

    I picked up some pillow moss today from my LFS. Once I got it out of the bag I rinsed/soaked it for a few hours and just put it in. I am loving how this tank is coming out!!! A few crickets went uneaten, I assume that they will either drown and I will fish them out in the morning or a couple of the frogs will get a snack tomorrow.
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    Tank:


    Looking inside the cover
    To the left


    To the right


    Frogs:







    All six in one photo!!! Yay!
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


    "If there were an invisible cat in that chair, the chair would look empty. But the chair does look empty; therefore there is an invisible cat in it." C.S. Lewis, Four Loves, 1958

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    Well live and learn...at least in this small ratio of water (about 12-13 gallons) the toxicity effects the fish. The guppies all were dead when I woke up this morning. The frogs had settled in much more yesterday and were in and out of the water all day. I think this increased the toxicity levels in the water. It is over filtered also with a 30 gallon filter running on it (cycled of course!)

    Oh well. It looked nice while it lasted. The frogs seem to have settled in quite well!


    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


    "If there were an invisible cat in that chair, the chair would look empty. But the chair does look empty; therefore there is an invisible cat in it." C.S. Lewis, Four Loves, 1958

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenste View Post
    I did read that article and have been reading a lot of pretty much everything I can find online due to low response volume.

    I read it was best to keep the water around 72-74*F (if I average the info on this and other sites and unheated my water temp seems to be in the 60*s on this side of the house - North/North East) with depth not being an issue with adequate land mass. I am probably going to have it about half filled to play up the tree like form. I am diligent with water quality and always over filter rather than under filter. The filter outputs will of course be directed in a way for minimal surface movement. Multiple climb out points is my goal.

    I will post a picture once I am able to get the tank set up, hopefully tomorrow as I emptied all stock out of it this evening (was housing Angelfish juveniles).
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenste View Post
    Well live and learn...at least in this small ratio of water (about 12-13 gallons) the toxicity effects the fish. The guppies all were dead when I woke up this morning . The frogs had settled in much more yesterday and were in and out of the water all day. I think this increased the toxicity levels in the water.
    the guppies ain't dead coz of the toads toxins. you have set this up in the space of hours with new décor and water then introduced fish into the equation. why would you set this up with fish in mind to any setup you have with your other fish if your diligent about water quality? PH, nitrates etc !!. p.s. having a few branches to cling to does not relate to having adequate land mass. I don't see the toads fairing well in this setup i'm afraid due to unfavourable conditions placed on them. just my opinion mind.

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    Very nice. I sure hope you have great luck with these guys. Watching this post closely for idea for my 10 gallon tank.

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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    Might have come off harsher than meant but that is one of the limitations of a forum - tone cannot be conveyed through text.

    With no more fish I will work on redoing the tank with in the next few days to increase the land and reduce the water level.
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    Ok. Reduced the water to just a few inches. Sloped the sand to the right and used large flat rocks to make a landing area.

    Thoughts?





    Hanging out on the other side of the tank while I set up the right side. They were not happy with me!


    Enjoying the new area



    Confirmed male! Finally. I have repeatedly watched him call and mount other frogs.
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


    "If there were an invisible cat in that chair, the chair would look empty. But the chair does look empty; therefore there is an invisible cat in it." C.S. Lewis, Four Loves, 1958

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    Just a couple questons.
    How do you know if they have ate? Are you taking them out to feed them? How do you find all the dead bugs they don't eat?
    Just wanting more tips for my 10 gallon set up.

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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    I watched mine eat. They ate most (75% or more) of the crickets with in an hour. The next morning the rest were eaten or floating. I used reptile tweezers to grab the dead ones to remove them.


    And make that 4 males. I really hope the other two are females! (I am just going by the "if it barks, its a male" theory. If this is wrong please correct me!)
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


    "If there were an invisible cat in that chair, the chair would look empty. But the chair does look empty; therefore there is an invisible cat in it." C.S. Lewis, Four Loves, 1958

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    No, females can bark too, it just sounds different. You have to assume its a female until you see it mount, that's my method because only males mount. Also, the tank looks really nice, just make sure you clean it every week as they can be harmed by their own toxins.

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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    Oh ok, I thought females only barked if the male tried to grab on and they weren't in the mood.

    Will females just sit there and bark like the males?
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


    "If there were an invisible cat in that chair, the chair would look empty. But the chair does look empty; therefore there is an invisible cat in it." C.S. Lewis, Four Loves, 1958

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    Not as much, but they still do sometimes i believe. Like i said, it sounds a little different. Males and females can make a trilling release call

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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    Okay well so far I have seen 4 of the 6 frogs just sitting there, by their lonesome, barking. I will assume these are males for the time being. I have one that I am sure is a female...she is a bit smaller but much more round with skinny little arms. The 6th one I am not sure of at this point. I haven't seen it bark but it is more slim then the other one.

    Will I have problems with so many males/so few females?
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


    "If there were an invisible cat in that chair, the chair would look empty. But the chair does look empty; therefore there is an invisible cat in it." C.S. Lewis, Four Loves, 1958

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    As long as they are about the same size, no. Have you seen them in amplexus?

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    Default Re: Need your input! Going to be setting up my first FBT tank!

    Quite a few times...numerous of the "males" have mounted the assumed "female" ... The one in question has not been seen mounted or mounting. (That was a weird sentence to type lol)
    72 Gallon Bow - ACF and GF tank.
    26 Gallon Bow - ACF tank.

    20 Gallon Long - ACF tank.


    "If there were an invisible cat in that chair, the chair would look empty. But the chair does look empty; therefore there is an invisible cat in it." C.S. Lewis, Four Loves, 1958

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