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    Hey everyone, I just got three red-eyed tree frogs three weeks ago. One of them died about five days ago and the other two are lying on the ground with all four limbs completely stretched out. I called the pet store and they didn't know what it was, only that it must be something environmental since all of them are succumbing. Does anyone have any idea what is happening? They were completely fine until about five days ago, when one of them disappeared (later found dead), and a second one turned a very dark green color and starting sleeping on the ground. Today, the two remaining ones are both on the ground, both light green, both with their legs stretched completely out behind them. I mist them 2-3 times a day and turn on a space heater near the tank whenever it gets below 70F inside. They have plenty of crickets to eat (I don't think they've been eating for a couple days). They are also awake right now while they lie on the ground, when normally they would be asleep up on a leaf or on the glass. I feel so terrible and I have no idea what I have done wrong!

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    Hi ,
    I'm so sorry to read about your troubles
    We need to know so much more

    Please read:
    http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-supplies.html

    They need to be kept (at all times ) in an enclosure that is :
    temps
    daytime 78-82
    night time: 71-75
    Humidity: 70-80 %

    Please answer these questions:
    1-size of enclosure
    2-# on inhabitants - specifically ( if there is another frog ---size differences ?)
    3-humidity
    4-temp
    5-water - type - for both misting and soaking dish
    6-materials used for substrate
    7-enclosure set up i.e. plants( live or artificial) wood, bark etc -how were things prepared prior to being put into the viv
    8-main food source
    9-vitamins and calcium ? ( how often )
    10-lighting
    11-what is, specifically, being used to maintain the temperature of the enclosure
    12-when is the last time he ate
    13-have you found poop lately
    14-a photo would be great ( including the frog ) any little cell phone photo is fine
    15- how old is the frog
    16-how long have you owned him
    17- is the frog wild caught or captive bred
    18- frog food- how often and if its diverse what other feeders are used as treats
    19- about how often the frog is handled
    20-is the enclosure is kept in a high or low traffic area
    21- describe enclosure maintenance ( water changes, cleaning etc)

    Lynn
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    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    Default One dead frog, two acting very strange

    This is very sad .

    Please answer the questions that Lynn has listed for you and we will help.

    Thanks!
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    Oh sorry about that. Here is as much information as I have. If I have left things out it is because I do not know.

    The tanks is glass: 24 in x 12 in x 24 in
    Three frogs, all just over an inch long, they aren't full grown.
    I don't know the humidity of the tank. But I live in Houston and I mist them 4-5 times a day.
    It has been about 72-73F in the house since I've had them. I turn on a space heater in the room they are in at night to keep it above 70F.
    I just use bottled Ozarka water for misting and to pour into their bows.
    The tank came with fake trees and leaves, I'm not sure what the ground soil is made of.
    I feed them 6-12 crickets a day depending on how much they are eating. I don't think they have eaten in the past 2-3 days.
    I dust the crickets' food with calcium or multivitamins every other day.
    There is a regular floor lamp next to the tank that I turn on during the day.
    I haven't been able to find any frog poop since I got them, apparently I do not know exactly how to look for it because I'm sure it was in there at some point.
    I don't know how old the frogs are or where they got them, they just told me they weren't full grown yet.
    I have not ever handled the frogs. Their tank is in a guest bedroom against a wall, the only traffic is me when I go to feed them and sometimes my dogs like to peek at them.
    I haven't really done any cleaning yet. I've only had them for about 18 days and the tank seems clean and smelled fine so I thought it would be best to just let them be for a while.
    The only thing I can think of that might have changed is that I opened the window in their room a few days ago because the weather was nice. Other than that I haven't done anything differently.
    This is a picture of one of the frogs lying on the ground during the day:
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    Sorry for the picture quality. I had just misted the tank before I took it so the glass is all wet.
    Edit: the frog in the picture has not moved since this afternoon. I'm afraid he might be dead as well but I am afraid to touch him

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    Hello,
    I want to try to help. To save them you need to act quickly.
    I'm afraid this must be done today ,asap or you risk loosing all of them, sorry !
    All of your frogs need re-hydration asap, and very likely the care of a vet.
    The frog in the photo is severely de=hydrated , in fact it looks desiccated

    The temp in the tank is WAY too low. They CAN NOT survive in temps in the low 70's. 24/7
    Please refer to the temp/humidity parameter in my first reply to you.
    De- chlorinator water must be used !

    ASAP---------small supply list:
    vinyl / powder free gloves
    A cheap 10 gallon glass tank and screen lid
    water de-chlorinator- safe for frogs
    humidity/ and temperature gauges (closed probe type are best)
    something from a pet supply to pull the temp up ( lamp or heat pad) sustained 78- 80 degrees ! NOT above 80

    from the supermarket:

    a large- Child's medicine dropper
    like this : Ezy Dose Calibrated Plastic Medicine Dropper Straight Tip - 1 ml | Ezy | Apothecary Prodcuts.
    plain - ( unflavored ) pedialyte :
    (this is therapeutic hydration used for dehydrated children-- by replenishing vital minerals and nutrients/ found at the supermarket)

    Hospital tank instructions for this :10 gallon glass tank and screen lid
    clean the tank as described here: http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-supplies.html
    -cover 3/4s of the screen lid with plastic or plexie to keep the humidity
    -put the humidiy and temp guages at the 1/2 way mark
    -Cover the bottom of the tank with VERY dampened plain paper towels and de- chlorinated tap water
    - fill 2 shallow dishes (you can use a saucer) with a pedi mixture ( instructions below)
    -remove all the frogs from the other tank and put them here. ( You must use wet gloves or very wet clean hands- when they are this de-hydrated therr skin can tear ! )

    pedi mixture
    In a clean container make a 1:10 solution
    1 part pedi and one part de-chlorinated water
    ( 1 tablespoon pedi and 10 tablespoons de-chlorinated water )
    put this water into the saucers in the tank for then next several days
    ( when they are re-hydrated this pedi solution will be changed to de-clorrinated water only )

    With the medicine dropper:
    suck up the pedi re-hydration solution into the dropper
    put several drops over the backs of each frog --- several times today
    ( do not put the water over their mouths or eyes ! You want the water to drip around their entire body but not their heads)
    A red eyed tree frog's skin should appear wet if it hydrated properly.

    After you get them in to this 10 gallon hospital tank:
    -get in touch with Dr Frye via email / explain everything / and get his advice as to whether or not they need to be medicated
    -payment for medicines are done over the phone w/ a credit card
    - Dr Frye's contact information is here ! http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...-supplies.html

    Lynn
    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    You'll need to get the temp up in the tank. Does the tank have a metal screened lid or top? If so, pick up a dome lamp with a dimer dial on the cord and a ceramic heat emitter bulb. Place it on the top of the tank. Most the tank with dechlorinated water throughout the day to keep the humidity at 70-80%, preferably 80% while they are rehydrating. Monitor the temperature closely so they do not get too hot. If the temp gets up around 82'F, turn it down with the inline dial. Do not let the temp drop below 76'F for now. Try to keep it between 78'F and 80'F.

    Lets warm them up and rehydrate them as step one.

    If we can save them through this step we'll work on getting them to eat and replacing their calcium levels.

    Please also buy some plain honey and some liquid calcium supplement (found in the reptile section of a pet store, such as Petco or Petsmart. You will need it to stop the lack of ability to move their legs. They must be hydrated first though or too much calcium too fast in a dehydrated frog can actually hurt them.

    Act quickly. There is no time to waste. Will pray for your babies.
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