Our White's Tree Frog, Smilie, is not feeling very well. He had is mouth open like he had something stuck in it again, like when he eats some dirt along with his crickets, but when we took him out to check, we didn't find anything in his throat. Well, while I was holding him I noticed he was making this strange popping noise like he was struggling to breath and he was making bubbles out of his mouth at times too. We also noticed that he hasn't eaten in a few days now and that he's not his peppy self. Well while I was holding him, we decided to give him some extra vitamins to maybe help him pep back up. Well after we did that, everything went downhill quick. He almost practically died in my hand, however my fiance was able to revive him after getting him under some fresh water and rubbing him gently. He was a pale almost yellow color too instead of his natural green color. We put him back into his tank and have been monitoring him. He's breathing and his color did start to come back a little bit today, but he's still making that popping noise and opening his mouth like there is something in there. He has moved around a little bit, but very slowly. I can tell in his eyes that something isn't right with him, I just don't know what more to do to help him. And he still won't eat. There are some weird dark spots too that popped up on his skin in a couple of places. Any ideas? I've only had him for a few months and so he's still an adolescent. I was looking forward to watching him grow into the cute, chubby-looking adults that I see pictures.
Hello Kristen,
I'm no expert but hopefully soon one of the experts will come to your aide. You came to the right place. ff is full of wonderful people fill out knowledge! First off, to help when they stop by, can you post any pics of him (with a shot of those spots)and/or a short video of the behavior. Also might I suggest podting answers to the thread "trouble in enclosure" so when the experts stop by they have all necessary info... May help get your lil frog faster help. I will get the link for the thread and post it for you. Good luck.
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Here it is... http://www.frogforum.net/showthread.php?t=14721
Trouble in the Enclosure
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Okay. I will try to get something of him to post on here and list the enclosure stuff. Thank you. This is my first frog. I was so excited to get him a coupe of months ago and I don't want to lose him so quickly.
I completely understand. Im a newbie as well. Had a pretty dramatic frog week myself... first one...if my guys had a rectal prolapse and then I rescued this poor little one from a pet store! This place is perfect for newbies! Lots of great resources¡
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I was reading on here about a honey and water bath and an electrolyte (pedialyte) bath. I'm going to pick both up tomorrow and maybe see if that will help him out a little. Plus, I just researched some local amphibian vets. I think I may have found one, just in case. But I'm really glad I came across this forum. This is and will definitely be a help, even with future frogs we plan to get.
I will send a pm to Heather and Lynn, they are awesome resources. I hope one of them or the other moderators stop by soon.
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Hi ,
Sorry
Ventilate the tank !!!!!
The first thing that comes to my mind is this could be a respiratory issue.
What was the tank cleaned with , and when?
I would make an appt w/ a vet if this does not resolve very quickly. As this would need to be seen/witnessed by a herp vet.
If there is any doubt what so ever that there could have been any exposure to a chemical or him inhaling something inside his cage
(even something you thought was "safe" ), remove him from the enclosure .
Hopefully you can get a safe - temporary enclosure ie 'critter keeper' or a little 5 gallon glass enclosure w/ a lid
To save time---rise the new cage in really hot water before you put him into it! cover the bottom w. dampened paper towel ( de- chor water) and continue to soak him ( de-chlor water )
Have you witness the frog shedding? If so when?
Can you post some photos?
keep us posted
Lynn
Current Collection
Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"
Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"
Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"
Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)
Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
Oophaga histrionica "Tado"
Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
Ranitomeya vanzolinii
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Thanks Lisa. Let's see what we can do.
Kristen, can you link a couple photos for us? Try and get them as clear as possible.
Please answer the questions for us and copy them to this post. It helps us to figure out how and why, if we can.
Be careful handling your sweet frog. Wash your hands thoroughly, rinse thoroughly, and I would recommend wearing latex free gloves. You can find them in the bandaid isle. Pick up some ORIGINAL neosporin to have on hand. Only the original type, not with pain reliever. The pain reliever type is toxic to frogs.
Set up a 10 gallon hospital tank with screen lid. Rinse it out very well with hot water, then rinse or spray with some dechlorinated water and dry with a paper towel. Do the same with his water dish. Use plain paper towels as flooring. Change these daily. Mist with lukewarm dechlorinated water. Cover the screen with Saran Wrap or foil on the outside about 3/4 to keep the humidity in. You'll need a temperature gauge and humidity gauge. Cover the back and 2 sides of the tank with dark paper or fabric, preferable green. It's to make them feel secure and safe. Keep him in a quiet, calm area.
The pedialyte soak is used to rehydrate a dehydrated frog and provides electrolytes. If he is dehydrated or not eating this may help him. It's a 1 part plain pedialyte to 10 parts lukewarm dechlorinated water mix. The average soak time is 15 minutes, though that can be adjusted depending on the situation.
The honey soak provides some sugar, encourages the natural passing of feces, and honey also has natural antibacterial and fungal properties. It can give the frog a short burst of energy. The honey soak can be used alone or can be added to the pedialyte soak. Use lukewarm dechlorinated water and add approximately 1 drop of honey per 60 ml/cc (2 ounces) of water. Stir it. Gently soak the frog about 15 minutes. When using honey it is recommended that we do a second regular lukewarm dechlorinated water soak for another 5 to 15 minutes to remove the honey residue from the skin.
When soaking, only fill the water deep enough to touch his belly, no deeper than his chin. If he won't sit in the water when set in, try using a small Tupperware with a lid with holes in it. Be sure the holes aren't pokey. I use a heated metal poker and poke holes in it from the under side of the lid. Or you can use a Critter keeper. Be sure what you use is thoroughly cleansed, rinsed of all soap residue, and rinsed again with dechlorinated water. Keep the water shallow in case he stresses and acts hyper. We don't want him to drown himself. I've found that covering the container a bit to darken it relaxes them. The soaks are soothing and if we move him very slowly and calmly and speak in a relaxing tone then they generally do well. How often the soaks are done is dependent on the particular situation.
Great home remedies to have in your emergency kit:
*Unflavored, clear pedialyte
*Honey
*Reptaboost
Liquid calcium supplement
*Original neosporin
*Qtips
*Non-printed paper towels
Latex free gloves
And always have dechlorinator or use spring water. No other water is safe for them.
We'll be waiting to hear more to help.
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Lynn, I was thinking the same thing...is he shedding? Or is he having trouble breathing? The yellowish color makes me wonder. Or is it a swallowing issue ie cricket half way down?
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Yes, we need photos. I don't like the "clicking ".
Thanks Heath---I could not type fast enough.
I hope the breathing issues resolves - asap . Then we can move forward.
Lynn
Current Collection
Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"
Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"
Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"
Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)
Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
Oophaga histrionica "Tado"
Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
Ranitomeya vanzolinii
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True. Funny that we posted at almost exactly the same time.
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Sounds like a respitory issue/possible fluid buildup in the lungs. Maybe pnemonia.
You've got the Tree Frog spcialists here to assist you so I will leave them to it.
Good luck! I'll be checking your progress
I agree, sounds like a respiratory issue.
What is the humidity level of your enclosure?
White's like a humidity of about 65%, too high will cause illness in the lung.
OR, like lynn mentioned, something in the tank? What did you clean the enclosure with? Maybe some sort of off-gassing from plastic getting too hot?
These are just guesses...
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Here are three different shots I took of Smilie. The second shot you can see the dark spots popping up on him. My camera isn't that great, but his color is green today. Not yellow. He has not shed since I've had him, but he did have a mucusy film on part of his back when we were getting him out of his big tank. My fiance is currently getting him set up in a smaller tank. The temperature was sitting at 77 degrees and the humidity was sitting at 75% when we removed him from his big tank, which is 3 feet tall and about a foot and a half across; it's octagonal shaped. He likes it because he can climb around. My fiance cleaned out his tank this past Tuesday. All he does is remove the EcoEarth that we put in the bottom and rinse everything off with hot water. Then dry with a paper towel. We didn't start to really notice anything wrong with him until Friday. I didn't hold him until Saturday and even though I thoroughly wash my hands before and after handling, I think that aggravated the situation with him. As far as I know, our water up here is from a natural spring, no chlorine, but we are going to pick up a gallon of spring water anyways to be sure to use for his honey and electrolyte baths. I do have a video clip of the popping noise he's been making, but I'm still trying to figure out how to post it on here without using youtube and such. Is there just a way to post it directly from the computer?
Trouble in the Frog Enclosure Responses
1) 3 feet by 1.5 feet octagonal tank
2) Just the one frog for now; wanted to get him a friend at a later date
3) Humidity has been sitting at around 75%
4)Temperature was up to 77 degrees
5) Spring water from our faucet, but could have been contaminated
6) Substrate use is EcoEarth
7) There are 3 artificial plants, 3 metal bars that we put across at different angles, water dish with some moss so he doesn't drown, a meal worm dish, and a flat rock that boiled and placed in the bottom of the tank in the Ecoearth
8) We feed him a combination of crickets and mealworms
9) The mealworms are dusted with a calcium powder and we give him 2 every day since he's still an adolescent; the crickets are fed a vitamin cube and we throw a few into his tank every other day
10) We have him next to a window so he gets the natural sunlight everyday and we have a lamp by his tank that we turn on when it's overcast. We were working on getting him a tank lamp.
11) We use a heater on low underneath the tank inside the stand it sits on; it was the only way to keep the temperature even in his tank because we live up at 6200 feet elevation and it's really cold right now with temps in the 20's on average
12) Last time we know he ate was Wednesday
13) There has been no poop anywhere in the tank
14) Posted 3 pictures; see last post
15) I think he is about 3 months old
16) We have only owned him for almost 2 months
17) He was captive bred; we got him from Petco
18) We feed him everyday since he is still an adolescent and that is was the care sheet said to do; he just hasn't eaten for a few days now
19) We handle the frog once a week when we clean out his tank
20) His tank is in our bedroom by the window, so it is low traffic area and quiet
21) We change the water every other day and then clean the tank thoroughly once per week
I am trying to upload my video of him onto youtube, but it says that it will take another 3 hours to upload. I will hopefully try to get it posted sometime this afternoon.
How about pics of his environment?
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He is moving around more today. Wanting to climb out like his usual self. But he still hasn't eaten and he's still making the popping noise.
Lisa, I didn't get a chance to take a picture of his tank before my fiance took it apart.
Hi KristenH,
Have you had a chance to get him into a hospital/quarantine tank?
Answers to "trouble in the enclosures" questions
The humidity is too high
No more moss , no more meal worms
Small crickets for now - continue to feed dusted crickets daily for now
I would also move his tank away from the window.
His soaking dish /water needs to be changed every day. De-chlor water only/ or bottled spring water
The water should not go over his chin.
? 3 metal bars that we put across at different angles?
(Could you possibly explain?)
Do you drink your spring water. If not ...........why?
He really needs to go to the vet.
or Call Dr Frye? You would have to call or email him today since his office is closed on Wednesday. You would want to get medication in the mail asap. It's still early enough form him to get medication in the mail today !!!He will likely be able to tell you what the popping sound is. ie respiratory or he has a meal worm stuck in his throat ?? If there is a health reason why you do not drink your spring water - let Dr Frye know about that. Also mention the 'spots' which could be a fungal infection? Email and include those three photos and a description of what is going on. A weight ( in grams) wold be important to Dr Frye as well. Do you have a food scale .
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http://www.frogforum.net/tree-frogs/...tml#post163157
Lynn
Current Collection
Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"
Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"
Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"
Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)
Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
Oophaga histrionica "Tado"
Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
Ranitomeya vanzolinii
http://www.fernsfrogs.com
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