Hi!
This is my first post.
I'll confess that I forgot to feed my frog for a week (I regret it) and it is malnourished.
Please don't attack at me that how bad of an owner I am. I'm quite aware of that and I want to change that.
I placed it in quarantine.
First of all, the frog developed some weird things on it.
My firebelly toad has a weird brown transparent covering around its mouth.
I don't know how, but the frog can somehow still move and jump..??
It seems to try to wipe off the brown muck stuff.
It is oversensitive. When I accidentally touch it with the tweezers, it ducks and stays like that for a few seconds.
I also searched the internet about this and I had no luck.
To summarize that:
- The frog has developed a weird brown muck around its face and it tries to wipe it off.
- It is malnourished.
- I need to find a way to feed it.
That is all I can list for now.
Can someone help? Thank you for taking the time to read this. I appreciate it.
Sorry for the lack of replies.
Always remember to feed your frogs. If you can't get crickets, go out in the garden and get some earthworms. Those work well, too, and highly nutritious.
Don't feel bad about it, many of us have made this mistake. Just don't make the mistake again, is all.
I don't think any of us will scold you for it. Everyone will be trying to help the frog.
I'm thinking the brown muck is actually shedding skin. Does the frog have a water source in the quarantine tank? Fully/Semi Aquatic frogs often shed in the water, which makes the process easier and also less visible. However, I may be wrong about the brown muck. Hopefully, an expert will see this thread. I can go alert some of the more experienced people on the forum if you want.
If the frog is still moving and hopping, that is a good sign. Try to give it crickets, maybe let the crickets run around for a bit. If the frog tries to get them, but is too weak, use those tweezers and tong-feed the frog [hold a cricket using the tweezers, make so it looks like the cricket is alive, keep on doing this in front of the frog and the frog may eat it.] Also, I'm not sure if force-feeding is viable with FBT's, but if it is, here's a how-to video. Don't force-feed unless absolutely necessary.
How To Force Feed a Frog or Toad the Right Way !EMERGENCIES ONLY! - YouTube
I'll begin researching now as well. Maybe I'll find something.
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1.0.0 Rana Catesbiana (Bumpy Digtoad )
1.0.0 Pseudacris Regilla (Levi )
1.1.0 Ambystoma Macrodactylum (Urtham and Gargan )
2.2.0 Bombina Orientalis ( Rosa, Sasha, Aleksis, and Dimitri )
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Thank you so much!
I have crickets. I put my froggy in a quarantined with water and things and dropped a few crickets in there. Everytime a cricket touches the frog, it cringes and hops off. The frog is also sitting in a corner for while....
I would love it if you could contact some experts!
Thank you so much for your help!
When I joined this forum, it was because I had a similar problem with my frogs. And the people here helped me right away. Ever since, I've been trying to live up to their example. Also, I like helping other frog owners
How big are the crickets in comparison to the space between the frogs eyes? If they are bigger than the space between the frogs eyes, the frog won't eat them. Could you post some pictures of the frog? That would really help.
I'll go get Grif, Heather, and some of the other experts.
Not a problem. Helping other frog owners is one of the things we do here at the Frog Forum.
My Amphibians:
1.0.0 Rana Catesbiana (Bumpy Digtoad )
1.0.0 Pseudacris Regilla (Levi )
1.1.0 Ambystoma Macrodactylum (Urtham and Gargan )
2.2.0 Bombina Orientalis ( Rosa, Sasha, Aleksis, and Dimitri )
Rest in Peace, Gnag the Nameless, Chrome, and Thermidor
Hi sjham16,
I'm afraid I have never owned a fire belly toad. I wish I could help you get him to eat
I'm sorry to hear he sounds so weak.
His problem could be more than the lack of food if you have been unable to care for him properly.
Try not to touch the frog unless necessary.
I do know they have big appetites and should be fed- daily. So keep offering him dusted food.
Here is a small list of some rescue products--you may still be able to get it tonight at a big pet supply ie petco?
Fluker's Liquid Calcium
Repta Boost Insectivore/Carnivore
Repashy Superfoods :: RETAIL SALES :: By Product Type - Repashy Ventures - Distributor Center
Continue to keep him it in a clean environment with a few - shallow- clean-- de-chorinated water dishes . It's a start.
My guess - which is a shot in the dark .... the brown stuff around his mouth could be from having shed his skin.
I would not attempt to remove it.
Here is the contact information for Dr Frye:
dr.frye.vetatmilan@gmail.com , or by calling my office at 734-439-2273
He will help you via email - payment for medication - only - is done via credit card
Lynn
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We need to see detailed pictures of the "muck". This sounds like some kind of infections, but to be sure we need to get a good look at the frog.
Not feeding the frog would not cause this. I'll post the link to some questions for you to answer. You will need to repost the answers here in your thread. http://www.frogforum.net/pacman-frog...enclosure.html
i see you have the best of the best in here helping you. i only want to add one thing. about the frog being over sensitive. if you were accidentally touched by something as large and metal (in comparison to the frog) you would be a bit hesitant to move as well, so i wouldn't add that as a "symptom".
best thing you can do for your frog right now is answer the questions on the form that Grif posted the link to, add some pics so we can see what we're dealing with and we can go from there.
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0.0.5 Dendrobates Leucomelas
0.0.2 Dendrobates Tinctorius 'Powder Blue'
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Please don't use tweezers if you can buy hemostats instead or try clean fingers. I would never let mine go a week, I did get a malnourished skinny frog thru a store order I placed. I worked with him and he ate but I had to keep trying. I turn 20 crickets loose in my tank for 4 FB's and offer a wax worm every other day or so. To remove brown film I'd try a q-tip or dry cotton ball. I would keep dangling a worm or cricket in front of the frog. I do not give mine roaches, could not handle causing abd distress. I almost considered offering my skinny frog a wiggly strand of cooked spagetti but he took a bug finally. Only other measure is an eye dropper with baby food he might refuse and you'd have to be careful not to get it in his nostrils. Keep him warm, too. Hope this helps.
Forgot to mention, my FB's have not had brown muck on their faces. If it is covering eyes and nostrils I would try a q-tip. For feeding try and not use anything pointed like tweezers, I see why the frog did not like it. Maybe this is why he refuses food. Why not try a single strand of regular sewing thread somehow wrapped once around a wax worm and dangle it? But keep trying as often as you can, even every 30 minutes to an hour, that's what I did. My frog was shipped like this and when I put him in the tank he sat on the log for a long time staring at his environment. I don't think he ever saw a plant before or wood or rocks or cave. He was probably in shock because maybe he felt free or just happy to be in a more natural environment than what he came from. Good luck with yours and don't give up.
I would also try and remember that crickets are very opportunistic and may try to eat on the frog, so I would not just be leaving them in there. If you could get ahold of some waxworms those seem to offer some good quick energy. Mine had a better appetite for the crickets once they had been tong fed a worm each (pet store frogs that were thin to begin with.)
*all advice offered herein comes from a complete novice sooo ... Ymmv
Okay- I took some photos! They're kinda blurry.....
I also forgot to mention- there's this weird white spot on the head.
The mouth part isn't red- my dad's iphone has this weird red sticker on it that reflected onto the water. But you still can see the affected area.
The tweezer I use are not the metal ones that cost over 15$. These ones are plastic.
Before, he seemed to eat fine with them.
I don't know much about Fire Belly's but I think a picture will help us see what you are talking about. I wonder if the brown muck is a bad shed and it's preventing him to open his mouth to eat that's why he's afraid of the crickets? Like someone else said, don't leave the crickets in the tank with him they will possibly bite him.
4.1.0White's Green Tree Frog (OliveR, Shrek, Skitter,Frankie,Storm)
0.3.0 Cats (Isis, Cleo, Sasha)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragon (Dexter,my girl)(Luci, my boy)
You're frog needs a vet. It looks like there is some kind of infection on his head.
4.1.0White's Green Tree Frog (OliveR, Shrek, Skitter,Frankie,Storm)
0.3.0 Cats (Isis, Cleo, Sasha)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragon (Dexter,my girl)(Luci, my boy)
I put crickets in my tank and they all hide in leaves.
He is thinner than my frog was. White spot....maybe he has a fungus? I thought you used metal tweezers that were pointed, glad you have plastic. Its hard for me to get a good luck at him but a white spot sounds suspicious.
Thanks everyone!
There were some people saying that I should take it to the vet....but my parents don't think that he deserves a visit to the vet.
I will take some more pictures tomorrow, and does anyone know how to treat fungus (as some people say what that white spot is)
ALRIGHT BETTER PICTURES
I think the stuff on his mouth some how got bigger! I think that stuff is the reason why he can't eat.
Can anyone identify this?
more view on
EDIT:
He looks like he's in a lot of pain ):
Last edited by sjham16; February 17th, 2013 at 09:34 PM. Reason: added another photo
I'm sorry. By coming to this forum, joining and posting this question you obviously care for your frog and you have hopefully realized that forgetting to feed him was bad and you will never do it again. I'm not going to beat you up for this, we live and learn. Hopefully you learned and you have a chance to give this frog a happy life.
Please let your parents know that frogs are not disposable pets. They aren't a goldfish that you can flush down the toilet when they die. I know you have no control over this but when we decide to keep frogs as pets or allow our children to keep frogs as pets we have to realize that we are responsible for their well being. I'm sorry that your parents didn't take this into consideration before they allowed you to have a frog. I really hope that you frog survives this.
Keep your frog in quarantine and make sure to change your water daily to keep it as clean as possible. I know a lot of people email Dr. Frye for advise maybe he can email him some better pictures and he can give you some advice.
4.1.0White's Green Tree Frog (OliveR, Shrek, Skitter,Frankie,Storm)
0.3.0 Cats (Isis, Cleo, Sasha)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragon (Dexter,my girl)(Luci, my boy)
Thank you all on taking your time to help me. I really appreciate it! Other people on other websites harassed me when I tried to ask for help.....
I will try to do more research on this...
Thank you. I hope you guys find 20$ on the ground.
Thank you
Obviously your parents are not experts otherwise you would not need to be here.
Your frog needs to see a Vet ASAP!!! This is not to be taken lightly. The infection your frog has could kill him if not treated. It will begin to spread and if not treated soon it could go beyond the ability for treatment to help him.
I'm sorry, but that is the truth. These animals are extremely sensitive and it is our respincibility to care for them once we bring them into our homes. They rely on our care to help them thrive. They are not disposable pets as was stated above.
They should be taken for medical care like any other pet whether it be dog or amphibian. Tell your parents he needs a Vet. There isnt much you can do on your own. He will need antibiotics and possibly force fed. A Vet can provide feeding syringes and a Critical Care formula to force feed the frog with to nurse him back to health.
Keep us posted.
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