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    Default Baby Preying Manti Hitchhikers! Need advice

    Hey guys,

    There are about a hundred tiny preying Manti climbing around my Leuc tank, very cool to see. They are edible size, but I'm concerned about my Leucs so if anyone has had this issue or can identify the species by these pics I would love some input!

    This is a new one on me.
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    Default Re: Baby Preying Manti Hitchhikers! Need advice

    Here's a better shot. Btw definitely a hitchhiker of the year candidate.
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    Default Re: Baby Preying Manti Hitchhikers! Need advice

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    Very cool. Did you put anything new into the enclosure recently?
    I think our NY prayers are green when they hatch???? Don't know ? Plus those striped leg looks different?
    I guess you don't remember seeing a pod. You could have 100s in there from one pod.

    They could compete for food. Or worse ???
    I would remove them into their own tank. They will likely eat FF or pin heads. !
    Maybe someone at Cornell would take them?
    I can't wait to hear what Jeff says !
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    Default Re: Baby Preying Manti Hitchhikers! Need advice

    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingPollock View Post
    Here's a better shot. Btw definitely a hitchhiker of the year candidate.
    For sure !!!
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    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
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    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
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    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
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    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
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    Default Re: Baby Preying Manti Hitchhikers! Need advice

    I did, it's a completely new tank setup, about 2 weeks, so all new plants. They're def. not standard green manti, their abdomens curl upwards as well as their striped legs make me pretty sure of that.

    They've definitely found the FFs to their liking even though they could only have hatched within the last 48hrs.

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    Those are just so cute!! I've got several weeks before I'll start seeing them in the yard. Set up a small tank and raise them up until you can release them once you have them identified as being local and not an import. Imports bad, locals good.
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    Default Re: Baby Preying Manti Hitchhikers! Need advice

    I think I am gonna set them up with their own tank, I mean this is just to cool.

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    those look like gonatista grisea! i will take them if u dont want them, i am a major mantis rearer and would love some of these guys

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    Default Re: Baby Preying Manti Hitchhikers! Need advice

    This was local NY fauna?

    Oddly northern for G. grisea, but I'm inclined to agree with you Alex. I'm honestly not all that well versed in my mantid nymphs... although I've always wanted to rear some aside from European species that I tend to around the landscaping. Always fun to go out and offer a roach to a wild mantis whose so kindly tended to other garden pests.

    We might have a guide to mantodea in the lab, I'll double check and see if I can find anything else about these guys.

    As for your frogs - these nymphs should make excellent feeders while they're still in their younger instars. Should take fruit flies and springtails with gusto. Here's a quick caresheet I found by Peter Clausen...a really great guy in the bug community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreH View Post
    This was local NY fauna?

    Oddly northern for G. grisea, but I'm inclined to agree with you Alex. I'm honestly not all that well versed in my mantid nymphs... although I've always wanted to rear some aside from European species that I tend to around the landscaping. Always fun to go out and offer a roach to a wild mantis whose so kindly tended to other garden pests.

    We might have a guide to mantodea in the lab, I'll double check and see if I can find anything else about these guys.

    As for your frogs - these nymphs should make excellent feeders while they're still in their younger instars. Should take fruit flies and springtails with gusto. Here's a quick caresheet I found by Peter Clausen...a really great guy in the bug community.
    Mantis Care Sheet
    woah woah woah! we r already working out him sendin me them, these guys r WAY too precious to the mantis rearing community to be feeders! we r tryin to get them back in the hobby here and fresh blood helps
    please dont use these as feeders!! get tenodera ooths or something to use as feeders, not the rare gonatista grisea

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    Heheh fair enough = )

    If these had hatched a little later in the Spring I'd probably take a few myself. Don't think I have anything small enough to feed these early instars right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingPollock View Post
    I think I am gonna set them up with their own tank, I mean this is just to cool.
    Quote Originally Posted by MantisMan View Post
    those look like gonatista grisea! i will take them if u dont want them, i am a major mantis rearer and would love some of these guys
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreH View Post
    This was local NY fauna?


    Oddly northern for G. grisea, but I'm inclined to agree with you Alex. I'm honestly not all that well versed in my mantid nymphs... although I've always wanted to rear some aside from European species that I tend to around the landscaping. Always fun to go out and offer a roach to a wild mantis whose so kindly tended to other garden pests.

    We might have a guide to mantodea in the lab, I'll double check and see if I can find anything else about these guys.

    As for your frogs - these nymphs should make excellent feeders while they're still in their younger instars. Should take fruit flies and springtails with gusto. Here's a quick caresheet I found by Peter Clausen...a really great guy in the bug community.
    Mantis Care Sheet
    Quote Originally Posted by MantisMan View Post
    woah woah woah! we r already working out him sendin me them, these guys r WAY too precious to the mantis rearing community to be feeders! we r tryin to get them back in the hobby here and fresh blood helps
    please dont use these as feeders!! get tenodera ooths or something to use as feeders, not the rare gonatista grisea
    Quote Originally Posted by JeffreH View Post
    Heheh fair enough = )

    If these had hatched a little later in the Spring I'd probably take a few myself. Don't think I have anything small enough to feed these early instars right now.
    I see you bug guys are having a ball.
    I knew someone would want the little 'wonders'
    They are precious !
    Have fun.
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    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
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    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
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    yes we are!! as for flyingPollock, you have found something very important to the mantis hobby
    i currently have emergency mel cultures coming in and the plan is to rear these babies and try and distribute them to different breeders for our mantis hobby
    remember, i can only breed so many but if i were to send half them off to other breeders when they r bigger, more people=more resources=higher production
    u are providing fresh blood and if these guys stick in the hobby, u will be forever gratified in the mantis hobby world

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    Default Re: Baby Preying Manti Hitchhikers! Need advice

    A few more pics, taken as I remove from tank. Leucs apparently helped themselves to a few in the night. But the Manti that are being transferred to their new temp bin are eating FFs like its going out of style!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyingPollock View Post
    A few more pics, taken as I remove from tank. Leucs apparently helped themselves to a few in the night. But the Manti that are being transferred to their new temp bin are eating FFs like its going out of style!
    please save them all and send to me, i need as many as u can catch
    and yes they love ffs!! give them plenty of room

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    Quote Originally Posted by MantisMan View Post
    yes we are!! as for flyingPollock, you have found something very important to the mantis hobby
    i currently have emergency mel cultures coming in and the plan is to rear these babies and try and distribute them to different breeders for our mantis hobby
    remember, i can only breed so many but if i were to send half them off to other breeders when they r bigger, more people=more resources=higher production
    u are providing fresh blood and if these guys stick in the hobby, u will be forever gratified in the mantis hobby world
    I'm so happy for you , Alex !!!
    I hope you get as many as possible.
    I respect your passion for this !
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    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

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    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
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    any updates??

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