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    I have two tall tanks ( both 36" )
    One has red eyed tree frogs (A. callidryas) the other set up for black eyed tree frogs (A. moreletii).

    I have come to the conclusion that hygrometers are the biggest waste of money compared to any other supply that is a necessity.
    The equipment is the same in both tanks.
    The equipment for measuring humidity seems to collect, I suppose it is because of them being inaccurate!

    Example--Tank one ( red eyes )

    a zilla wire/ probe device...that has been stuck on 99% for about 3 months ! obviously broken ? but then, one never knows !!!!!!!!
    an exo-terra wire/probe device
    an open ( indoor/outdoor) wire/probe device from Home Depot
    and a NEW one.......yes.......... a 4th
    A "wireless weather station" .............desperate RIGHT!

    Here is what they all read:
    The Mist King sprayed at 7AM.
    The open probe device and the NEW wireless weather station are both protected from a direct spray from the MK.

    The basement / outside the enclosures is 56%

    the exo reads- 76%
    the zilla reads- 69%
    the HD reads- 65%
    and
    my new wireless weather station - reads 86%


    How frustrating is this !!!!!!!!!!!!

    So my inclination is to lower the humidity for my red eyes, for the time being, anyway !
    Winter is an entirely different mess of readings !!

    Last edited by flybyferns; July 28th, 2012 at 08:03 AM.
    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    The all seem pretty close in readings they may be correct. Depending on tank position in your room ventilation positions of the probes you could get different readings.... The one stuck on 99 you should remove the probe and let it completely dry out . From what I've learned on this forum humidity is important. Try a stick on hygrometer but keep the sticky paper on so you can move it around. If you didn't know already this type of hygrometer you'll need to lightly tap to get an accurate reading. Watch what way the arrow goes and that will tell you if the humidity is going up or down and I always remove mine before I spray so I don't get the backing wet. Hope this helped oh and good morning
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    Thanks for the feedback. I'm ,really, just venting.
    It's all enough to drive me crazy!
    I'm on an endless search for the perfect product !

    Ha!
    Lynn
    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    Goodmorning Ruby!
    Hopefully you figure out whats up and what the actually humidity is. I'm not really sure what to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristen View Post
    Goodmorning Ruby!
    Hopefully you figure out whats up and what the actually humidity is. I'm not really sure what to do.
    That makes two of us..
    An average is nice !!!!! 74%

    This is a job for JTeezy !!!

    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

    http://www.fernsfrogs.com
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    Oh yes! The search for an accurate Hygrometer treds on
    When you go to buy one always look at the readings of the others around. At least this method works for Analog gauges which I actually don't like. Choose one from a group that read the same.
    I'd say to remove the gauge when the MK sprays and place it back in after. This way your probe doesn't get wet at all and just collects the ambient air moisture once back in. The only ones I've found to be accurate is the Fluker's Dual digital temp/humidity gauge. It doesn't have a probe and seems very accurate unless directly hit with water which in any case messes all hygrometer readings up completely.

    The other is the Zoo Med Hygrotherm climate control units I use. They are very accurate. Usually only being off by one degree or one unit off humidity, but like all others you do not want to have the collector that's placed inside the enclosure hit directly.


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    Oh and good morning Lynn and Ruby


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    Oh and good morning Lynn and Ruby
    Hi Grif(s)
    Don't get me going!
    It would not take much to for me to put , yet, another in there!!!!!

    Seriously, they really are all pretty close to each other.
    The new one is remote and updates every 45 seconds. So, it clearly explains the difference between it and the others.
    The probe devices take longer to adjust.
    Plus, I keep a little computer fan going nearby.

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    A rainy, high humidity, day here in NY!

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    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    I would say the wireless weather system is probably the most accurate. Them all being close is a good thing because that means you're definitely still in the correct range even if its maybe a little less than ideal.


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    lol we have same issue not trusting a hygrometer ... analog.... digital..... probe go crazy seeing different reading

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    i have come to this conclusion. I don't leave them in the tank anymore. I don't even use one for that matter. Being with darts 80% and higher is good, i know that if my tank has condensation on the glass then its usually in the right range. I would just use hygrometers to stick in and get a reading then take it out from now on vs leaving them in full time

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    The zoomed one I'm using that controls my fogger has been dead on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Teezy View Post
    i have come to this conclusion. I don't leave them in the tank anymore. I don't even use one for that matter. Being with darts 80% and higher is good, i know that if my tank has condensation on the glass then its usually in the right range. I would just use hygrometers to stick in and get a reading then take it out from now on vs leaving them in full time
    They are a royal pain !
    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    Quote Originally Posted by flybyferns View Post
    They are a royal pain !
    That is a Hygrotherm that Morgan is using.


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    Quote Originally Posted by J Teezy View Post
    i have come to this conclusion. I don't leave them in the tank anymore. I don't even use one for that matter. Being with darts 80% and higher is good, i know that if my tank has condensation on the glass then its usually in the right range. I would just use hygrometers to stick in and get a reading then take it out from now on vs leaving them in full time
    I was under the impression that water droplets forming on the glass was 100% humidity

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    Condensation.

    ...occurs when a warm gas contacts a cooler surface. The gas condenses(gas to liquid).

    Precipitation occurs at 100% rH.

    So, condensation can happen without 100% when it touches a cooler surface.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrifTheGreat View Post
    That is a Hygrotherm that Morgan is using.
    YES ! It was Morgan's idea !!!!
    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

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    Why so angry? Chill out

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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan View Post
    Why so angry? Chill out
    She's not angry Morgan. She gets excited, but hygrometers being off and so many reading differently is very frustrating. Been there done that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by morgan View Post
    Why so angry? Chill out
    Morgan ?
    I'm not angry. I was giving you credit for this idea. I think it's great ?
    Otherwise I would have not purchased it.

    I hate my other hygrometers...that's why I got the new one!

    I never get angry
    I did not want to take credit for your idea !

    I'm sitting upstairs monitoring the humidity of the enclosures downstairs ! Love it !
    Current Collection
    Dendrobates leucomelas - standard morph
    Dendrobates auratus “Costa Rican Green Black"
    Dendrobates auratus "Pena Blanca"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “New River”
    Dendrobates tinctorius "Green Sipaliwini"
    Dendrobates tinctorius “Powder Blue"
    Dendrobates tinctorius "French Guiana Dwarf Cobalt"

    Phyllobates terribilis “Mint”
    Phyllobates terribilis "Orange"
    Phyllobates bicolor "Uraba"

    Oophaga pumilio "Black Jeans"
    Oophaga pumilio "Isla Popa"
    Oophaga pumilio "Bastimentos"
    Oophaga pumilio “Mimbitimbi”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Colubre"
    Oophaga pumilio "Red Frog Beach”
    Oophaga pumilio "Rio Branco"
    Oophaga pumilio “Valle del Rey”
    Oophaga pumilio "BriBri"
    Oophaga pumilio "El Dorado"
    Oophaga pumilio "Cristobal"
    Oophaga pumilio "Rambala"

    Oophaga “Vicentei” (blue)

    Oophaga sylvatica "Paru"
    Oophaga sylvatica "Pata Blanca"
    Oophaga histrionica “Redhead”
    Oophaga histrionica "Blue"
    Oophaga lehmanni "Red"
    Oophaga histrionica "Tado"

    Ranitomeya variabilis "Southern"
    Ranitomeya imitator "Varadero"
    Ranitomeya sirensis "Lower Ucayali"
    Ranitomeya vanzolinii

    http://www.fernsfrogs.com
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