should i get some green tree frogs and advice with setup and everithing

[miguelanaconda]

hi, my name is michael and i would like to get some green tree frogs.
I ordered some books from amazon and waiting for them to arrive.
ill put a picture with the tank.
It would be very kind of you to write me how to setup the tank, if the tank is too small, what substrate and comments about foggers? (etc)
The tank is 55cm length, 35cm depth and 22cm height.

[toxxxickitten]

When we say "Green Tree Frog" do we mean Hyla cinerea or Litoria caerulea - just so I can make sure I give you the right care advice.

[miguelanaconda]

its a Hyla meridionalis, a green tree frog we get in spain.
its very similar to the hyla cinerea, basically they need the same care.

[miguelanaconda]

[toxxxickitten]

I see! They look like bigger American Green Tree Frogs, sort of. They are very pretty! I'm unfamiliar with this species, as I had never heard of them or seen one before in person, so of course, have never kept one. However, I do have Hyla cinerea, and they are pretty easy when it comes to their care. The basic needs of a tree frog is pretty much: places to hide, climb, water dish & food.

[miguelanaconda]

yeah, thanks for reply.Ill have the cinerea care sheet if you can.
Theres so many of them on the internet, and each says different things.
Sorry for annoying you.

[toxxxickitten]

Oh, no bother at all!! I didn't want to give you the wrong care information for the wrong species. I know that a lot of common names are different in different countries. Here's a cinerea care sheet that I would trust has the right care information: Green tree frog (Hyla cinerea) Care Sheet

[miguelanaconda]

Thank you.
I found it very usefull but i have a few questions:
Is the tank big enough?
What should i use a as a substrate?
My house is at a constant 24-28 degrees in summer. Too much?
Humidity is 60 per cent. Higher?
To add, your frogs are beautiful.

[toxxxickitten]

Taller is always better, but I think I read that the meridionalis aren't found as high up in trees as cinerea, so I would think your tank would be just fine for one meridionalis.

I think you use Celcius and not Fahrenheit, and converting those temps that would be high 70s to low 80s during your summers. Cinerea tolerate a wide range of temperatures, so I would believe your house temps would just be fine. 60% humidity is just fine as well.

And thank you!!

[miguelanaconda]

1 last bother.
Substrate?

[toxxxickitten]

1 last bother.
Substrate?

Oh snap! Sorry! I knew I forgot something. I would go with either paper towels or something called Eco-Earth. I'm not sure if you have it in your country, but it comes in packs like this:

[miguelanaconda]

Yes, we do, and I actually have some.
I want it to be real planted, so could you have ferns and vines in it?

[toxxxickitten]

Yes, we do, and I actually have some.
I want it to be real planted, so could you have ferns and vines in it?

That's wonderful! If you do real plants, then you want some sort of drainage layer at the bottom of your enclosure such as small aquarium gravel or hydroton for the plant's roots. Eco-Earth makes a good potting soil for live plants.

[miguelanaconda]

The substrate Im going to use is eco-earth, but should I put live sphagnum moss on top, or is moss bad for frogs?
Should I provide a water area or a water bowl is enough?

[miguelanaconda]

More pleople please!

[miguelanaconda]

The substrate Im going to use is eco-earth, but should I put live sphagnum moss on top, or is moss bad for frogs?
Should I provide a water area or a water bowl is enough?

[InfinitysDaughter]

No moss! Its an impaction risk for frogs. Impaction is, like, severe constipation for frogs and its often fatal if you dont have a frog specialist you can go to and get special medicine for them. What I've seen is really effective is using a gravel layer or hydroballs (clay balls that retain water. most specialty pet stores carry them), then a layer of moss, and then a layer of eco earth on top, enough to cover the moss completely. This will do wonders for humidity retention especially with the live plants and will give it a very natural feel for your froggies. :3

[mrzoggs]

from what i understand sphagnum moss can easily impact your frog. when a frog lunges for a cricket it sometimes gets more than the cricket so be careful what you use as substrate. pebbles small enough for the frog to ingest are horrbible. I have used moss before from the pet store. I got it because it had a picture of a tree frog on it. Then the first time i saw my frog eat, he got a piece of moss in his mouth and i watched him pull it out with his hand. Then i read up about it impacting frogs and took it right out. That one time if he didnt pull it out, i might not still have him today. So in my opinion i wouldnt use moss

A water bowl is big enough. i wouldnt provide a water area since it will be hard to keep clean. With a bowl you can just take it out and clean it and put it back in. You might even be able to get some leaf litter to put ontop of the soil so you dont risk the frog lunging for a cricket and getting a mouthful of soil. And like Kitten posted i would look into some LECA or Hydroton (whichever you want to call it) if you want live plants. I myself use a false bottom but i wouldnt go that route for your first frogs. Seems to be more work then necissarey in my opnion. Just get some Hydroton ( clay balls) from your local pet store or hydroponics store and put a layer on the bottom, then add some screen (like window screen) over top so your soil doesnt get inside it, and put your soil over that. Then the water wont sit in the soil and be muddy, it will drain to the bottom. Also if you want it "heavily planted" i would look into a bigger tank in the future because plants grow pretty quick. Plants in my viv are already sticking out of the top (i dont have a screen on yet) and i dont even have my frogs in it yet. Just a couple weeks and my plants are growing like crazy. if you have any more questions let me know. i will try to keep up with this thread and if i dont keep up, feel free to PM me. I do not have these types of frogs but i do have Red eyed Leaf frogs and they seem to be doing just find. Ill be more than happy to help you with anything i can


Edit: infinitysdaughter beat me to it :P

[miguelanaconda]

Thanks a lot both of you, I really appreciate it.
Shoul I put branches in the tank? (As they climb all places, Im not sure)

[miguelanaconda]

Are these what you mean?
Hydroton Clay Pebbles-10 Litres: Amazon.co.uk: Garden & Outdoors
Sorry for being a pest.