Urgent. Advice on Frog on Antibiotics

[DopeyDiablo]

Recently I have upgraded my green tree frog's tank to a bigger tank. This caused it to stress and it stopped eating, I had to force feed it. and also neon green spots have appeared on its back. I got antibiotics of a vet and gave it to frog as directed. Now it has been sitting with its mouth open and eyes closed, it is a small bit active but I am worried.

Also, how could I get it to eat again?

[KingCam]

Recently I have upgraded my green tree frog's tank to a bigger tank. This caused it to stress and it stopped eating, I had to force feed it. and also neon green spots have appeared on its back. I got antibiotics of a vet and gave it to frog as directed. Now it has been sitting with its mouth open and eyes closed, it is a small bit active but I am worried.

Also, how could I get it to eat again?

Why did you have to force feed it? A healthy frog can easily go two weeks without food before you should even begin to worry. Force feeding an already stressed frog just makes the stress worse.

Why would neon green spots cause you to administer antibiotics? Leave the poor frog alone!

[DopeyDiablo]

Because it hasn't been eating for about two months so i decided it was time to use the last resort and force feed it to keep it alive.

Also, I gave it antibiotics because I did seek advice with a veterinarian and that's what they have given me to treat my sick frog.

Please, give me advice that can be beneficial to me, instead of telling me to leave my frog alone...
Thank you.

[KingCam]

Because it hasn't been eating for about two months so i decided it was time to use the last resort and force feed it to keep it alive.

Also, I gave it antibiotics because I did seek advice with a veterinarian and that's what they have given me to treat my sick frog.

Please, give me advice that can be beneficial to me, instead of telling me to leave my frog alone...
Thank you.

In order for anyone to be helpful you needed to provide more information. Now that I've drug some of it out of you, perhaps someone can offer some helpful advice.

What kind of food are you offering? How big is your frog? If you're offering crickets try mixing it up with some roaches. I catch moths at the porch light for my frogs, they LOVE them.

[DopeyDiablo]

I have had it for almost three years now, since it was young. I've been feeding it live crickets ever since I purchased it, and there never has been a problem with feeding it... Only about two months ago it has lost its appetite, and I tried several things to bring it back, ie. changing the type of the crickets, smearing some of the crickets insides on its mouth (it has worked before...). Recently I decided that I'll try to open its mouth gently and simply feed it a cricket, it has eaten it, but I really hate doing that, as you can understand...
Now, saying that, we have made some progress two days ago, I placed a cricket into the tank, and the frog has jumped after it, but unfortunately missed it... After that, it lost it's interest again. I've been trying that every night afterwards, but it doesn't seem to be interested any more. I suppose I should just keep trying?
The frog has closed its mouth now and went to rest, I guess it was just from stress, it's been the first time I've had to give it antibiotics, and hopefully, the last...
I'll try the roaches thing and get back to you though, maybe I should try changing the calcium powder for the frogs bones I've been spraying the crickets with too?

[flybyferns]

Recently I have upgraded my green tree frog's tank to a bigger tank. This caused it to stress and it stopped eating, I had to force feed it. and also neon green spots have appeared on its back. I got antibiotics of a vet and gave it to frog as directed. Now it has been sitting with its mouth open and eyes closed, it is a small bit active but I am worried.

Also, how could I get it to eat again?

Hello,
I am sorry your frog may be ill?
please read -below- follow the soaking ( honey and treated water) instructions

Frog Forum - Basic Frog First Aid
We would like to help you if possible

Lets start here:
- post all enclosure settings and a photo if possible -*humidity, temp etc
-how long has the frog been in the new enclosure
- describe the substrate
-what water have you been using
-prior to the frog losing it's appetite -what was it eating
-were you dusting the food with cal and vits
-when is the last time you saw your frog eat
- do you have a small tank to make a 'hospital tank'
-did a vet actually examine your frog/was it a herp vet
(sounds odd to me that a vet would just prescribe antibiotics it to an animal w/out actually seeing it
* and especially w/out getting a weight!)


I'm sure FF members will chime in, so please check back soon
Lynn

[DopeyDiablo]

Humidity levels are about 80%, and it has a constant 20 degrees Celsius temperature...
The frog has been transferred to its new tank two weeks ago, on a Wednesday.
I have purchased a 'repti bark' substrate, now I have used it before and there has been no problems with it.
I have been using room temperature water, boiled beforehand.
It has been fed crickets for the past three years I've had it - always from the same provider...
Yes, occasionally I would miss dusting the crickets once or twice, but never for a long term
I have, as stated, opened Dopeys mouth a week ago and have given him two crickets that way, he has swallowed and digested them both, but by itself, it hasn't eaten for about two months, hence my concern...
I do, I have the tank I have been using prior to that, but it isn't as tall and wide, and I wanted to give the frog more room be active... Of course, it's health is most important, if it comes to it I might just transfer it back.
Unfortunately I live in Northern Ireland, in a middle of nowhere, and there are no vets specialising in reptiles and amphibians in this area, so bringing my frog to them would be useless, I have done before with a different frog and they just looked at me with a herpy look . However, I did seek advice online and have been over the phone with a specialist, and they have advised me to get a special antibiotic with my vets.
I went to the vets and explained my situation, have researched the drug and frogs situation online further, and purchased the drugs that seemed most appropriate (the ones advised by the specialist), that I have to give to the frog through a syringe via mouth.
The frog has been given its dose for today, and is now resting, so I'll just sprinkle the tank before night time and leave it be today, it has been through a lot of stress.
I will check the honey and water treatment out now, thank you very much

[GrifTheGreat]

I recomend a warm bath of de-chlorinated water and unflavored Pedialyte. The bath consists of 1 part Pedialyte and 10 parts water. So 1oz or Pedialyte for every 10oz of water. The bath should be no deeper than up to your frogs chin and it should remain in the warm bath for about 15 to 20 minutes.

Try this and keep us posted.

[flybyferns]

Oh, I'm sorry !!!! I understand your situation w/ the vet.

"I have been using room temperature water, boiled beforehand"
Dechlorinate the water - always, always . It does not boil out.

Dust w/ calcium and vit on a regular schedule.

Moving forward-
"I have purchased a 'repti bark' substrate"
This could cause an impaction! I hope others will chime in , as I am not sure as to how to determine if this could have actually occurred.

If this were my frog I would make a hospital tank. Dampened paper towels, and a shallow water dish for soaking!
Dechlorinated or spring water (at least) only with the unflavored Pedialyte as per Grif !
You can put his hospital tank right into his enclosure w/ a lid on it.

Lynn
THANK YOU GRIF !!

[DopeyDiablo]

You see, I don't think it's the substrate, because it is suitable for amphibians too, and I have used it before, without effects such as these happening... But the specialist over the phone has told me that it does often happen to frogs to react this way when they change tanks... I'll try some of the methods that you've been giving me, I'm meant to phone the vets tomorrow to let them know about the progress anyway, I just got very worried when I saw the frog just sit there with it's mouth open, it made me panic, but it might have just been stress, or the fact that it has never been given any antibiotics before?
I'll keep you informed anyway, thank you so much for all your help folks

[NatureLady]

Moving forward-
"I have purchased a 'repti bark' substrate"
This could cause an impaction! I hope others will chime in , as I am not sure as to how to determine if this could have actually occurred.

I have used reptibark in the past, until I had a impacted snake. I could feel the bark and eventually see it in a skinny little guy (he passed). If he is impacted, he should not have droppings. I no longer use reptibark with my small herps.

[NatureLady]

You see, I don't think it's the substrate, because it is suitable for amphibians too, and I have used it before, without effects such as these happening... But the specialist over the phone has told me that it does often happen to frogs to react this way when they change tanks... I'll try some of the methods that you've been giving me, I'm meant to phone the vets tomorrow to let them know about the progress anyway, I just got very worried when I saw the frog just sit there with it's mouth open, it made me panic, but it might have just been stress, or the fact that it has never been given any antibiotics before?
I'll keep you informed anyway, thank you so much for all your help folks

It only takes one impaction to change your mind about a product. I would personally put him into a hospital tank and make sure everything is coming out ok. If he is stressed about the tank change, I would put him back into his old tank too! I would also cover the hosptial tank or whatever he is in with paper towels or newspaper for some extra privacy.

[DopeyDiablo]

Hmmm yes, I should change it, but what could be better for tree frogs? There isn't a great choice anywhere nearby, but I could always order something in, any suggestions?

[NatureLady]

Coco fiber seems to be what everyone strongly suggests for tree frogs. It is about the same color as the reptibark and great for humidity.

[GrifTheGreat]

Coco fiber seems to be what everyone strongly suggests for tree frogs. It is about the same color as the reptibark and great for humidity.

I second this. Look for Eco Earth coconut fiber(not husk) or Plantation soil.

[DopeyDiablo]

I'll order some in thank you very much for your help!

[Mrtoadsworth]

I recommend not using paper towels! When cleaning my frogs enclosure, I put him in a separate containervwith paper towel. When I looked over at him, he had the paper towel in his mouth, with over three inches down his throat! It took me more than 15 minutes to slowly remove the paper towel, while he kept trying to suck more in. I really thought he was going to die.

[Heatheranne]

Yes, I'd remove the bark. Even if he likes it. He'll get used to the Eco earth or plantation soil in no time at all.

What antibiotic did they give you and what dose? How big is your frog?

The antibiotics may have some effect of his appetite, especially if it's flagyl. Flagyl can cause belly upset and gives a metallic medicine taste.

Do you have a picture of your frogs spots?

Try the diluted pedialyte soak. It will give him some electrolytes. Use slightly warm water as not to shock your baby. The water has to be dechlorinated even when adding the pedialyte (clear, non flavored type). If he will not soak and doesn't mind being held you can soak a paper towel in it and just let him sit on it.

Sometimes it just takes them a while.

Is his belly bloated? If it is he may have an impaction causing him to not want to eat. In this case, the warm honey soaks help them to pass feces. Do not try to force feed if he looks distended. And continue to soak daily. I think Grif said you can do the pedialyte soaks for 10 days. You can also do regular dechlor water soaks. I'd soak for about 15 to 20 minutes each day.

If he does not, continue to offer food. If he doesn't take it, I'd force feed every couple of days. Yiu want him to get hungry and have to opportunity to eat on his own. Try using cut-up worms. They digest easily.

[Jdnocente]

i use plantation soil covered w/ live moss, and river rocks in the areas where no moss grows, seems to work the best of all the sub.