Amphibian ID help

I would say its Asian, probably some form of Cynops, family Salamandridae. Check out this link maybe it can help with a firm ID http://www.livingunderworld.org/caud...salamandridae/

Thanks Kurt. Just found out its a Paddle-Tailed Newt (pachytriton labiatus)

The one on the left is a paddle tail. The one on the right is not. Not quite sure what the right hand one is though.

I keep getting told the one on the right is an Alpine Newt, Doesnt look much like the pics I have seen though

I don't think its a Pachytriton, the head shape is wrong (at least in the second pic.) Pachytriton have some what smooth skin. I am going to stick with Cynops as my ID.

So are we going for a cynops on pic 2. It does look similar to an Alpine but there are a few differences

Yeah, I going to stick with Cynops on the second picture. Not sure exactly which species though. The first picture is probably a Pachytriton.

The first pic is some sort of Pachytriton. The second pic is a little shakier, it could be a Cynops or maybe some sort of Triturus (anything from that original genus.) If you want more opinions try John's other site, caudata.org

they sell them as fire newts here.

The 2nd picture is a Mesotriton alpestris ssp. You can tell it's an alpine newt because where the orange of it's belly meets the dark color of it's back you can see a bit of blue with spots, that is a definite sign of an alpine. My best guess would be M.a.apuanus or M.a.alpestris because they're more commonly kept by hobbiests. You can get a better ID with a belly shot of the animal. The one in the pic is either an adult female or a large juvenile.

Do you keep both newts in the same tank?

i cant relly see your pick so how can we help you

Originally Posted by justin shockey

i cant relly see your pick so how can we help you

You don't speak for everyone here. I can clearly see an alpine newt and a paddletail newt. True the pics aren't very bright, but that doesn't make it impossible to identify the subjects.

Are you sure that's an alpine, Jake? It's very brown and Cynops-like.

sorry did not think i was being a prick but im sorry

I can kind of see the second pic being an alpine newt. It looks like I see some blue and the stomach looks more uniform. I can't really tell, so i'll differ to John and Jake.

Alex

Sorry to bump an oldish thread, but they are definitely and without any doubt Pachytriton labiatus and Ichthyosaura alpestris.