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African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

This is a discussion on African Dwarf Frog on it's Back? within the Aquatic Clawed Frogs forums, part of the Frogs & Toads category; I recently bought my first African Dwarf Frog. The first day, it was fine and swimming around. However, the second ...

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    I recently bought my first African Dwarf Frog. The first day, it was fine and swimming around. However, the second and third day, it was at the bottom of the tank and it kept flipping onto it's back. It's alive, but it's refusing to eat and it rarely tries to flip back over. I used my fish net to tap it, and it squirms away; sometimes flipping back over and sometimes remaining on it's back.

    I've read more about them, and a few websites say that this is normal behavior and some websites say that it could be sick. I'm not sure what to believe.

    I don't have anything to test the water with, so I can't supply that information. It's eyes are not cloudy and there is no discoloration of the skin. It lives in the tank with a goldfish, which doesn't seem to bother it or eat it's food. Does anyone know what's wrong with my frog?

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    Default Re: African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

    How long have you had the tank set up for? Could you ask your local fish shop to test your water, just to be on the safe side and rule out water quality issues?

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    Default Re: African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

    I only had it for 2 days.

    By this FAQ I found, laying on it's back is considered normal. I'll watch him, but I no longer think it's a major problem. The only problem I have now is that it's refusing to eat. Could it just be stress? I'm currently feeding it frog pellets which it doesn't seem interested in. Would bloodworms be better?

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    Hi,

    I can assure you that thatīs not normal behaviour for a frog!
    Did you read anything about basic aquarium maintainance before getting animals? If not, you should google "nitrogen cycle"/ "cycling". Animals produce nitrogen components that are converted to ammonium/ nitrite (both highly toxic to aquatic animals! Please have your water checked on a daily basis until the tank is cycled. There are no "safe" values of ammonium/ nitrite above zero!) and later on to nitrate, which is much less toxic, but shouldnīt exceed 25 ppm.
    How large is the system? Is it filtered, heated? How does the decor look like? ADFs are tropical animals which do need tropical temperatures, whereas goldfish usually like room temperature. Goldfish also are heavy pollutors, so they need an adequately sized tank and heavy filtration to thrive. Those species donīt mix well, so it would be better to rehome either the fish or the frog. Sorry I have to say that

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    Default Re: African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

    Are you sure? This describes exactly how my frog is acting: Flippersandfins.net ADF FAQ

    I'll still get my water checked just in case.

    The temperature is okay and the decor has a lot of hiding places with plants.

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    Default Re: African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

    Hi,

    yes, I am. Iīm keeping this guys for a long time now and Iīve only seen them flip over when sick, weak or severly stressed.

    Would you please write the exact temperature? Since both species have different requirements, itīs impossible to say that the temp is okay

    What is the size of the tank? How does the filtration look like?

    Especially in an uncycled system, it is very important to know the exact values (numbers, not "fine"), so it would be great to check the water

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    Well, I came back from dinner and both my frog and fish were dead... It's quit disappointing. I didn't have them long enough to think of a proper name for them. Well, thanks for your help guys, but I think I'll just stick with a fish. I'm not fully experienced with a frog.

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    Default Re: African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

    If I were to consider a frog again, what is a good place to buy one? I got mine from PetSmart, and I read a few articles saying that their animals are not always in best health...

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    Default Re: African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

    I'm sorry for your loss I can't imagine losing one of my frogs.

    I don't suggest buying animals from PetSmart. From what I've heard, breeders are the best way to go.

    I'm thinking that your frog and goldfish died from ammonia/nitrate poisoning. If you are planning to get another frog, I would clean out the tank thoroughly, place everything back in, including the filter. Fill the tank up with conditioned water (de-chlorinated/chloramined) and cycle the tank. Here is a page on the cycling of tanks:

    How to Cycle a Fish Tank - Oscarfishlover.com

    As for the maintenance of the tank once it is cycled, I'd do 25% water changes 2-3 times weekly. I'm no expert on these types of frogs, but I know that even small amounts of nitrate and ammonia can and will kill them.
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    Default Re: African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

    I don't know any frog breeders in my area. Is there any pet stores that are good? I know that a Petco is nearby.

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    Default Re: African Dwarf Frog on it's Back?

    OK first all lets focus on making sure the set up is correct before replacing the frog.

    Fish and frog combos, especially for newbies is generally a big no-no. Fish and frogs have different requirements and finding a way of perfectly melding their environment is a challenge even to an experienced hobbyist.

    Please describe the size, set up, filtration, age etc. What is your water cleaning schedule? Are you familiar with what it means to have a cycled filter, the nitrogen cycle, ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, bacteria colonies etc? If I just confused the bejeesus out of you, please let us know. Cycling the tank and filter is the most important step before buying more little froggies.
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